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Vandenberg affects cruise ship schedule

The imminent arrival of the 522-foot Gen. Hoyt S. Vandenberg in Key West is the top priority for city port officials, who are asking for flexibility from the cruise lines with ships scheduled to be in port over the next few days.

Still, the city may lose as many as two port calls, which average about $20,000 each in revenue for the city, as well as revenue for Duval Street businesses, Key West spokeswoman Alyson Crean said Friday.

The former military ship was off northern Florida on Friday afternoon, and is expected to arrive Monday or Tuesday, but estimates depend on wind and weather, which determine how fast the tugboat can pull the ship.

No cruise ships will be allowed in the main ship channel or docked in Key West Harbor while a legion of tug and pilot boats tediously guide the behemoth ship to its temporary mooring at Truman Waterfront's East Quay Wall, Crean said.

"The window to bring it into the harbor is tiny, and we're dealing with a huge, dead ship that has no power of its own," she said. "To bring it through the channel is certainly doable, but it's a challenge, and the crews have to do it in slack water so they're not dealing with currents."

Slack water occurs at high and low tides when the currents stop moving so dramatically.

Some cruise ships may be asked to leave a few hours early, while others may have to arrive a few hours, or a day, later. Currently, two cruise ships are scheduled for both Monday and Tuesday, and none are scheduled for Wednesday.

"Ideally, we could bring it in on Wednesday, but there are so many moving parts to this operation, which is taking priority," Crean said. "There is no way to make a firm statement about the time, because so much of it has to do with wind and weather conditions. I see, at the most, two port calls being impacted."

Crews estimate it will take three to four hours to maneuver the ship through the channel and to the East Quay Wall.

In addition to lost revenue from port calls, Julie Gully, an employee of Caribe Nautical, which supplies cruise ships, is upset about the planning and the priority that the Vandenberg is receiving, calling it "outrageous, unacceptable and unnecessary." She added in an e-mail to The Citizen that the team should wait until Wednesday so the city could accommodate its long-term cruise line clients.

It would not be prudent to definitively force the Vandenberg to wait off Key West until Wednesday because the wind could pick up, and there remains a good amount of work to be done on the ship before she is sunk as an artificial reef sometime before June 1, Crean said.

As of Friday afternoon, the Vandenberg had made its way south of Jacksonville, traveling at 6 knots, or about 7 mph.

The general public is allowed to watch the operation from the East Quay.

mbolen@keysnews.com

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Caribe Nautical, Selfish

Wow - Caribe gonna loose one day of their $1M a year contract - oh poor babies and selfish pigs. People have real money and over ten years invested. Hmmm...selfish concerns do you know Monique or Randy or Frankie or John(ny)? Shame on you Caribe...Can we vote on who gets this contract with the cruise ships?

re : Vandy inconveniencing tour biz

Contact Oohbamaa ! He'll stimulate you. Of course, Julie Gully, dances to the money tune & puppet strings that Caribe pull. 2 words : " greater good ". All the businesses can bring in employees to clean, paint, inventory, etc. Especially the restaurants, I won't eat in many places in KW because of the filth.

Hardly selfish

They're looking out for the interest of OUR customers - the cruise ship companies who have sold itineraries to tens of thousands of passengers based on the port of Key West being open. They're looking out for local businesses and city income. If you don't think this leaves a bad taste in the mouths of our customers, the cruise ship companies, then think again.

What really...

...leaves a bad taste in the mouths of the cruise ship passengers visiting KW is a short 6 hour port call, docked at the Outer Mole, with 2 hours or more of that time taken up just getting off the ship, trolleyed into town and back again. Those people don't have time to see much of anything, and probably won't ever want to come back.

Bad taste.....


We're already down 30% each of the last three years from RCCL alone. Maybe the bad taste is from the commericalization of our watersports, scooter hawkers, pertpetual "Going out of business" stores and blood sucking sales people living under the cover of information booth staff. Just maybe....

i don't understand why...

Unfortunately Key West no longer seems to have much to offer travellers who seek the unique. T-shirts, beer, lousy service and panhandlers can all be had at any number of tourist destinations. What I don't understand is why you folks don't attempt to capitalize on the only unique attraction you have, the Mel Fisher Atocha/Margarita treasure recovery operation. As an Atocha investor, who has been coming to Key West for many years, I have seen the town change, and not for the better. I think you have priced yourselves right out of the competition for tourist dollars, and you have nothing they can't get at any number of other Mexican or Caribbean ports of call. My investment group and I come to K.W., spend a week, and lots of money, specifically because that's where the operation is based. With all the television specials that have recently aired, and the new treasure diving adventure the Mel Fisher folks are offering, it always astounds me that so little is known of our search right there in town. I have met locals recently, conchs, who have lived in K.W. for 20 plus years, and who have never been inside the treasure museum. You have something special there folks. A little advertising, a little promotion, a little "look at what we have here, and that you can't see and do anywhere else on earth" might do some good. TTD!

caribe nautical. selfish

put Caribes contracts up for bid and lets all pray that the nasty tee shirt shops are really impacted by this loss of revenue and go out of business. If any of these rip off salons do fail, then halt all cruise ships for a month and help them all get in a position to close. The other types of legit business will survive. Then throw a party!

It's not tshirt shops we're worried about

There are many valid businesses in Clinton Square market, with hard-working owners. Same all over that part of Duval, Whitehead and Simonton.

Vandenberg

As any good seaman knows, the wind and water could care less about our human agenda. It will be tricky enough maneuvering her through the channel so let us not add any problems if it's not prudent to wait till Wednesday.We have had extra cruise ships here (like last Saturday) due to the high winds. I work in a business dependent on the ships and sympathize and would prefer they not be affected but am also a sailor and respect the sea. We can not bend conditions in our favor so need to do what must be done,when it needs to be done. We will have a lot more problems if she grounds.And hopefully, she will prove a boon to our local economy.

How many other surprises are in store for us

thanks to the 'team' handling this behemoth? This is the first we've heard of this in what? 11 years? With all this so-called 'planning' by the Big Ship Wrecks people and by the City and the County, I find it rather outrageous that they're impacting tens of thousands of cruise ship passengers, employees, Key West businesses and of course, city income in such a casual manner. I support Ms. Gully totally!

Too many currents? Winds? Exactly how did the big sailing ships get into harbor all those years? Just get a few more tugs. There are a bunch of them here sitting idle, with nothing to do since cruise ships now have all the built-in thrusters.

This entire project has been nothing but a boondogle

And who has profited? The ONLY person who's profited seems to be Joe Weatherby. He has a new career with the Big Ships company who's made all this money from this 11 year mess that's known as the Vandenberg project. I'm amazed he has the nerve to show his face in Key West, to even try to say 'hi' to any single member of the dive community, and to send out his numerous pro-Vandenberg, pro-Joe email newsletters.

The big "sailing" ships were

The big "sailing" ships were totally dependent on the currents and winds and often had to sit and wait offshore till conditions were favorable to get through the channel to the docks. The cruise ships can use their power and navigational equipment to get them in. The Vandenberg has no power and must be physically shifted through the cuts in the channel. Wind and water have a powerful effect on a big ship or small one as anyone who has had an engine fail offshore here will know. The wind and currents will push you far and fast.It will be no small feat getting her in here. Not as simple as you may think.

Major international event.

The Vandenberg will add millions of dollars annually to the economy. Caribe Nautical can suck it in for two days. Since when did the tick start dictating where the dog could go?

Caribe Nautical has done plenty well

Caribe Nautical has done plenty well over the past 20 years under the city's policy towards embracing cruise tourism. According to National Geographic, Key West was "Getting Ugly" over ten years ago, as cruisehips and their mass market audience degraded our city. As far as Caribe Nautical crying "poor mouth" at this point in time, I would humbly suggest that they STFU.

Coincidence?

The Titanic and the Key West economy both went down in April. One was sunk by an ice berg, the other by a Vandenberg.

Coincidence? Do any of you

Coincidence? Do any of you ignorant people [remember] a ship called the Oriskany? Yeah the aircraft carrier sunk 24 miles off of Pensacola. This ship wreck earned Pensacola $14 million in revenue the first year after it was sunk. Those of you whining about two or four cruise ships being displaced, *%#@ off. Sink week will generate more income for your junk stores than the cruise industry has in the past five years.

Coincidence?

No.. try again.

Moronic Thinking by City Government.

I agree with Ms. Gully, we need to think of established business that depend on the cruise ship industry. A lot more than $20,000 to the City coffers is at stake. This time of year we need every cent we can make.

Quit Your Whining and deal with it

ANY day without a cruise ship and its passengers who have turned Key West into a zoo is a great day. I hope the Vandenburg takes 3 weeks to get into port therefore allowing us residents who live here and don't base our incomes off of others buying T-Shirts and beer gets a reprieve from the idiots who litter the downtown. Wake Up Key West you have sold your soul to the tourism devil and made this once nice quiet town a mockery. I wish the Navy would come back in force and make this a true Navy town again...

RE: Moronic Thinking by City Government

The City and local business leaders know that the cruise ship industry cannot be the only feather in the hat - KW needs a variety of "attractions" to draw people who will stay for several days and buy more than an ice cream cone, t-shirt and a Conch Train Tour. We're talking about two, TWO possible cruise ship schedules out of how many? Think long term - not short term and that is not moronic.

You are so CORRECT.

How sad if the Conch Tour train is our town highlight, unless of course your $wifty.

Moronic Statments by those who post these stupid comments

9 years and 8 million dollars are involved here. $20,000? This ship will bring in $6 million dollars annually to the local economy. Selfish uneducated statements. So stop the bitching, the ship will enter the harbor on Wednesday morning and there are no cruise ships scheduled for Wednesday.

$6 million. Come on.

We are always sold by claims of pie in the sky. At $6 million that would over $16K a day that would be added for one attraction. Do we really think we will gain that much, especially year after year. How many divers will "ADD" money to the economy instead of just adding the ship to their current plans.

What do you think divers do

What do you think divers do after they dive??? Divers stay at a hotel, go out to eat, go out to the bars and drink, and best of all they stay in town for more than six hours. Most of the dive boats in Key West have been booked and will be for years to come.

Multiplier Effect

Haven't you heard of the multiplier effect? The monies spent by the divers will go to pay the dive shops, which so in turn pays the employees who go out and tip bar tenders and waiters or buy groceries so on and so on come on use some logic why should key west be a one trick pony? People have always been drawn to KW for a variety of events and attractions - why are you getting so bent because of 1 or 2 cruise ships? Have some forward thinking. KW has endured and it will endure.

You're assuming of course,

that the dive companies give their employees paychecks regularly and that they don't bounce. Think that will change? Doubtful. They will be trying to repay their vendors and landlords and the employees will still come last.

Check the Vandenberg Schedule

Due to weather conditions, low and behold, it won't be here until Wednesday, the day no cruise ships are scheduled. That argument is over. As far as the $6 million a year in revenue from the updated diving community - check out the Vandenberg tracking website www.bigshipwrecks.com which has a special listing for "Host Hotel for Vandenberg Visitors", one and only one! Granted the Southernmost Hotel Collection has a few hotels, but why should only a few have the publicity and endorsement sounding like promo on the website?????????

With today's winds, who knows how long it will be?

Might be NEXT Monday and Tuesday that ships are pushed out of the harbour.

Innkeepers Assn and Lodging Assn members

need to make a big stink about this. I'm sure of course, that a standard booking commission is being paid to the Big Ship Wrecks people - Joe Weatherby and Shari Lohr.

Multiplier effect...is that the same as the Trickle Down Theory

I am not saying it won't help, but the number is bloated. Big time. Maybe 1-2 million. Not six.

X Factor

I totally agree, and as to the comment below of divers not spending any money, guess again. We spend a ton.

Enough Money to...

Even if it were only enough to replace just one cruise ship a year it's good enough in my book! So far it's going to stop two so it's ahead of the curve.

I once worked in the dive industry

and I can tell you that divers don't generally spend much money. They want cheap rooms, cheap food and free 'deals' to dive. Getting $16,000 a day out of divers, spread amongst 4 or 5 dive operations here? No, that isn't going to happen.

Like it or not

It is happening so if people felt this strongly against it they should have spoken up earlier!

No one thought it would happen because

it was poorly planned from the get-go and we all figured Joe and his employer had taken all the $$ he could from it and the price would keep going through the roof til it never happened. I don't think anyone minds it being here as much as they mind it happening 10 yrs late, and many, many millions of dollars more than it was supposed to be, coming from pockets of taxpayers now, and much of it lining pockets of companies that were never necessary for the project at all. THAT'S the problem. Shutting down the port for these days is just adding salt to the wound.

BOTH OF THEM

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