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City wants its sink money

Key West has remitted the $1.3 million it promised to cough up after the Vandenberg was on the ocean floor. Now the city wants artificial reef project organizers to repay it, according to its 2001 contract with them.

To that end, the city wants Artificial Reefs of the Keys to open its books and provide copies of contracts with all its revenue-generating partners, such as Valeo Films, which filmed and broadcast the sinking on the Internet.

"We are in the process of drafting formal notice in accordance with the contract to address the situation and receive their financial records," City Attorney Shawn Smith said Wednesday.

Smith did not know whether the nonprofit included in its partner contracts a required clause that said the city was second in line to receive any funding after the $8 million project costs were paid.

"Until such time as the city is fully reimbursed for its contribution, [the nonprofit] ... shall provide a copy of any proposed agreement related to the possible generation of any revenue related to the project to the city for approval prior to execution," the city's contract reads.

Smith said his office never received copies of contracts with Valeo Films, which was selling advertising on the Web site.

Some of the reimbursement money was to come from Sink Week fundraising revenue, but that amount may not be as much as once hoped. There was more talk of concerts, art shows and other events than actually came to fruition because the Sink Date was "a moving target," project founder Joe Weatherby said last week.

Some fundraisers took place throughout Sink Week at local bars and restaurants. They included raffles, drink specials and T-shirt sales.

Organizers say they don't yet know how much money those events raised.

"We haven't had time to sit down and work it all out, but we fully intend to honor our commitment to the city," Artificial Reefs of the Keys President Capt. Chris Norwood said, adding that the board will meet in the coming weeks to begin reviewing finances.

"We've enjoyed a close and productive relationship with the city," Weatherby said. "Everybody's been flexible and the city certainly will get its money once the project expenses are paid."

Commissioner Bill Verge called Weatherby an "honorable" man who constantly is working on new ideas to generate funding to help the city recoup its money.

Key West was the only entity to include such language in its contract. Monroe County and the Tourist Development Council also pledged money for the project.

mbolen@keysnews.com

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What a Show for Key West

City Manager Scholl will never ever get the money back unless he puts parking meters on top of 'ol Vandy and hires a diver to collect the revenue. Come to think of it I'm somewhat qualified for that position so keep my resume handy when you create the job Jim. JFKulick

$ Back

I'm sure the three banks would like to get their money back as well.

So the big question is - will the City AND the Taxpayers be

seeing audited books or 'cooked' books? I hope there are some stringent controls on this and what is required.

During the time leading up to the sinking and during wreck week

no one wanted to hear anything negative about this project. The Citizen didn't print negative responses to the project for days after they received it. Well, this is something that many people in the local dive industry has known about for what? 10 years now? I don't think you'll find very many big fans of Mr. Weatherby in the local dive operations.

Dive Operators making $ and not fans?

ha! i've worked in the dive industry for 6 years and there are several people who had no faith but they are all happy now as the summer trips are booking up !(except for one) i think you may have your facts a bit askew

The ones I've talked to have a booking or two but...

no trips to speak of. They're saying that they don't see any difference between what's going on now and what was going on a year ago. Maybe July will show a difference - who knows? What they tell the paper's reporter is always going to be blowing smoke. I think they'll see a bit of a bump for a year, maybe two, but it won't be a long-term thing. If the city could collect, say, $2 per diver booked on a local dive trip, that would help and maybe we'd see some real numbers to use to evaluate the real value to the tourism industry here. The trouble would be collecting it from the dive company once they get it in their account. ha ha

I invite the lodging and restaurants and other businesses to share their stats. Are you asking guests if they're here for the Vandenberg? Are you getting feedback?

There are more Dive Operators

now then there were a year ago. The shops that were here last year are all making more than last year, and the new ones are making money. This from someone that is actually in the Diveing Business in Key West. Now on collecting money from the Dive shops why don't we ask the Third World Countries how they do it. Or do you think Americans are just all crooks and stupid.

Me again - who worked in diving 10 years here

Ever had your paycheck bounce? Over and over again? Ever had to rush to the bank on payday hoping your check might be the one or two that gets paid? That'll give you a distinct outlook on some of the dive operators here. Needless to say, I couldn't live like that and made a change.

And now they don't have an excuse

not to pay you on time. They're making money NOW. This sin't about what was. I't's about now with the increase in divers and money. In 12 years I never had a shop bounce my check, and if I had I would have quit. According to the State of Florida you can quit if that happens and get Unemployment Insurance Pay. If the shop you work for is crying about not making money now then leave, they're playing you.

Spellcheck - diving business

not Diveing Business.

spellcheck

thanks, my bad

I worked in diving here for 10 years so I know them too well

and I also know the ones who've been in bankruptcy who do not pay their bills and I also know the ones who've not been in bankruptcy and do not pay their bills. And the ones I've talked to (one who doesn't pay bills and another who does pay their bills) are not making more than last year as of this month. We'll see what July brings. As for the new operators, well, maybe they're bringing a fresh new attitude and outlook to diving here?

I've worked here in diving for 12 years

and I've seen the shops come and go due to bad business decisions and the bad economy. Every Dive Shop in town says they're doing better now than they were last year. That doesn't change how some of them pay their bills. So if they owe you money they'll cry they're not doing better.

So it makes sense that they'd not pass on any dollars collected

to go towards repayment to the city, if they aren't really keen on paying the State Department of Revenue or other vendors, right? Some people just don't have a good or honest business bone in their bodies.

If you honestly feel that way

you should get out of the Dive Business completely. I know many Dive Shop owners that go out of their way to pay their bills, and have been very upset when having to pay late. The fact is there isn't a single business in the Keys that hasn't paid a bill late in the last couple of years.

Some have done so consistently in the last 10 - 14 years.

I don't do business with those who have filed bankruptcy twice, screwing many reputable vendors. I find that just repugnant. Neither do I do business with those who remain 9 months delinquent or more for the past 10 years on every one of their bills. In the latter case, check out the shops that have downsized steadily. It's because few vendors will sell to them any longer and they couldn't buy enough to fill up the former, larger spaces.

C.O.D.

That's the way those shops have to buy their products for sale. Cash On Delivery. They never had a problem getting inventory, just selling it. The ones I know that downsized did to reduce rental costs. When the monster sized dive equipment shop opened in town the smaller shops also had to cut inventory to survive.

You must remember: Diving is a BUSINESS, not a big-toy hobby.

Those who do not treat it as such will one day fail.

Most won't even do COD for them any longer. It's expensive to the vendor to have them refuse packages multiple times, and vendors have to pay the return freight and re-ship over and over. Collection calls take time and effort. It's like selling something 12 times over. And let's not forget the returned checks on the COD packages that have to be dealt with. I know many of the big-name gear representatives who will give you the REAL story. And of course, after being burned in bankruptcy's they won't go back.

As for the delinquency kings, you have no clue about the mess these people create. It's just best to stay away from their energy. One day, karma will catch up with them.

You really shouldn't defend people when you don't know the truth and the entire story.

Key west expects it's money back

How precious. Did they just fall off the turnip wagon? They have known all along the money was not going to be repaid. This is all a show to appease us taxpayers.

I hope they get ALL the financials including who made what and

when on the sinking. I hope the city gets COMPLETE financials. Personally, I don't trust it. I thought this was already a done deal. To wait until AFTER the sinking to do this? Hmmm...sounds like a recipe for another loss for the city.

And how can they have no clue as to what they raised? It's been almost a month - there should be some idea about the deposits that went into the bank, right? OR did it go into pockets instead of the bank? More 'cash funny money', much like the Adult Education classes?

As for project expenses, the principles have lived VERY WELL on this project for all these years. That's why it took so long to sink. When it sank, the salaries went away. I'm interested in seeing the financials and how much Reefmakers ( http://www.reefmakers.com/pages/Contact.htm ) made over the course of this project, from day one. You can see who the principles are for that and Weatherby is one. )

I was all for the sinking of the Vandenberg on day one when it was to be funded privately. But over the years, when the projected dragged on until our local dive shops were almost dead, and then it became a taxpayer liability, I along with most all the local dive shops, became suspicious of the entire enterprise.

They bought hats from me

Sherri ( who is their graphic artist) bought hats from me. We used her art... The hats came in, and said she loved them and put one on her head. Two days later she asked me to pick up the hats. The board didn't like them.. I am out $350.00. I have never had a customer in the keys do this to be. I wouldn't trust any of them.

Did you proceed on legal grounds?

You know, someone has to take a stand to put these people who screw others, in their place. I find this interesting. Kind of tells you what the city can expect if the same people won't even pay for $350 in hats with THEIR artwork on them, that THEY ordered!!!! You produced these in good faith! I support you in trying to get your funds from these people. That's just disgusting and yet more thievery on the part of business people who are less than honest and honorable.

I'm really getting sick of thieves in this town!!!

If she approved the proofs, then it's not your problem

And you shouldn't have to eat it. There are specs for any garment to be printed or embroidered and the artwork must match the specs. It's up to the artist to do something that's workable and then it's up to them to approve the 'proof'. It's up to you to let them know the imprintable area so they know what space they have to work with. After that, it's not your fault. Get your money or take them to small claims court. That's just plain wrong! BTW, I'd not do anything for them without cash up front and a signed agreement where they clearly approve the artwork that they submitted and where they understand the garment specs. A real professional graphic designer wouldn't do that to you. (And did you get the hats back? If so, at least donate them to the bums at Bayview Park so they can advertise the Vandenberg properly. I've seen bums wearing old Conch Train shirts. Ha! Now THAT'S some fun payback, huh?)

dont hold your breath.

are you still holding your breath Bill? You are never going to see that money. When I was boy I thought these grown-ups got it going on. wake up kids...where the heck is that money going to come from? t-shirts, dollar drafts....dream on!! Oh let's wait to hear back from Noorwood Who reading this is laughing with me. BOB

The Manifold Malpractice of Manny James' Sox Puppet Continues

Smith did not know whether the nonprofit included in its partner contracts a required clause that said the city was second in line to receive any funding after the $8 million project costs were paid.

"Until such time as the city is fully reimbursed for its contribution, [the nonprofit] ... shall provide a copy of any proposed agreement related to the possible generation of any revenue related to the project to the city for approval prior to execution," the city's contract reads.

Looks like Little Shawn Shawn got bested by a nonprofit and is holding a worthless contract on behalf of the city .... wink wink nod

Good thing he brought all that expierence and qualification as the lswyer to county's school district to his well desrved positon as $175K city attorney

Tokens

In some countries visiting divers pay a small fee, usually $1, to offset the cost to the government for the protection of the local reef. While the majority of divers I've spoken to would support this our local politicians fear this idea, and during the County Commission race the local media, Bill Becker in particular, refused to bring up the question. You can't ask a question the candidate you're backing can't answer. Maybe the local Key West reporters will ask the question.
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