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Postal clerks decry no-work policy
Union worries layoffs are at heart of 'standby rooms'

The U.S. Postal Service is paying employees to do nothing.

Employees clock in and are paid their regular hourly wage of between $17 and $23 an hour, even when their supervisor instructs them to sit in a "standby room," where they can do nothing but read Postal Service instructional materials -- they cannot eat, drink, smoke, read books or talk on the phone.

"The post office is trying to prove they can lay off workers" in the three Key West stations, said Kathryn dePoo, vice president of the Florida Keys Area American Postal Workers union, which opposes the practice.

The Postal Service is lobbying Congress to change a law that prohibits it from laying off union employees who have at least six years' tenure, saying it needs to reduce its work force in light of the plummeting volume of mail.

Its argument would be fueled by showing that fewer workers can handle the workload at Key West's post offices on Whitehead Street, in the Overseas Market and at the Navy base, union President Jack Baldwin said.

"It's demeaning," he said. "These people take pride in their work and they come in every day to work."

Supervisors adjust to necessary staffing levels throughout the day, ordering as many as one to three employees in the standby room for as little as 15 minutes to as much as two hours, Baldwin said. Clerks can press a buzzer to call standby employees back to the floor if more than three people are in line, he said. On Tuesday, however, the buzzer was not working and clerks had to use the telephone to page the standby employees.

A Postal Service spokeswoman acknowledged the practice of standby operations, which media reports show has occurred in other places, such as Dallas, where postal facilities were consolidated.

"When work is not available, the Postal Service has a contractual obligation to carry [union] employees in a pay status," Debbie Fetterly wrote in an e-mail to The Citizen. "In these situations we initiate standby operations. Affected employees are placed in standby operations while we take action as quickly as contractually possible to realign complement to meet workload needs."

The Postal Service handled 9 billion fewer pieces of mail in 2008 than in 2007, and projections for 2009 estimate further losses of between 12 million and 15 billion pieces of mail, Fetterly said.

"This has resulted in a mismatch of workload to work force," she said.

The Postal Service this week announced cost-cutting measures that could save about $6 billion this year. One such measure is a recent agreement with two postal unions that would offer financial incentives for some workers to resign or retire early. The option will be offered to 30,000 workers and could save $500 million, Fetterly said.

Letter carriers are not affected by the negotiations because the Postal Service constantly is adding new addresses to its roster of mail recipients.

Most affected employees work in mail-processing centers, but Key West is one of the only locations in Florida where standby operations are being instituted for clerks rather than behind-the-scenes employees, Baldwin said.

Other money-saving measures include a nationwide hiring freeze, a construction halt on new postal facilities, the closure of six district offices, the sale of unused postal facilities and a salary freeze for all officers and executives.

The changes are not likely to affect the situation in Key West, where employees are being told not to work when there is, in fact, work to be done, Baldwin said. Some Key West clerks have protested their time in the standby room, telling supervisors there were other things they could be doing, dePoo agreed.

"There is work to be done," she said. "There is work that is not getting done, and the lines [on Monday] at the Whitehead Street office were out the door, so people were leaving. We lost customers, and the American public lost service."

No employees were in the standby room during that busy period, dePoo said.

The union repeatedly has complained that staffing-level studies are conducted in Key West's off-season, and the standby operations are being imposed during the post office's slowest time, when the city sees the fewest tourists and part-time residents.

It is unknown how long the standby operations will be in place, and when decisions about local staffing levels will be made.

mbolen@keysnews.com

Postal employee in standby room

Shame on the postal service for allowing a manager to waste money in this manner. I have heard the Postal Service has low morale. It's no wonder with managers like this running an operation. Shame on the higher ups for allowing these supervisors and managers to collect a paycheck. I bet the offices could be run with one manager!!

THE REASON FOR BLUE ROOMS?

The Union and APWU agreed that Management could EXCESS employee's. So the BLUE ROOMS STARTED...The employee's could not be fired but, Management had to reduce staff so where to put them until they figured out where employee's where needed. So bids came out with outragous hours and days off. Employee's with 30 years of service weren't going to bid so they just stayed in the BLUE ROOM until they were forced to RETIRE because they closed the room after 6 months. NOW THE POST OFFICE AND UNION COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT TO OFFER $15,000 INCENTIVES IF YOU RETIRE. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE EMPLOYEE'S THAT LEFT SHOULDN'T THEY BE GRANTED THE SAME INCENTIVE BECAUSE THEY WERE LIED TO ALL ALONG. SO UNFAIR WHAT THE POST OFFICE HAS DONE TO THEIR HARD WORKING, DEDICATED, TRUSTWORTHY EMPLOYEE'S WHO MADE THEM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR SUCH LITTLE PAY. WE ALL SHOULD BE SCREAMING, AND TELLING ALL THE PAPERS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WHAT IS GOING ON. PRINT IT, AND REVEIL THE WONDERFUL UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE FOR THE UNDERHANDED WAY THEY ARE RIPPING US OFF BY NOT OFFERING INCENTIVES FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS REDUCTION IN WORK FORCE. I AM A VICTIM OF THIS SCAM. I JUST HEARD TODAY THAT THE APWU FILED A GRIEVANCE FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEE'S WHO RETIRED EARLY 2008 SHOULD BE ENTILED TO THE INCENTIVES THE POST OFFICE IS OFFERING NOW. I HOPE THE ARBITRATOR SEE'S IT OUR WAY... PRAY FOR IT. A DISGRUNTED RETIRED POSTAL WORKER FROM NYC

Standby Room

I am an employee at The Detroit P & DC in Detroit, Michigan. We have had a standby room since January 2009. Our employees sit in that room for 8 hours everyday and do not go onto the workroom floor. There are three shifts: 7:00am - 3:30pm, 12:00pm - 8:30pm and 12:00am -8:30am. Now explain to me how the Postal Service can justify wasting that much money. The majority of these employees are at the top of their pay scale so explain to me how the Postal Service can justify paying out this money for nothing. If they really want the Civil Service employees to leave offer some money like Chrysler, Ford and GM or at least make an offer of at least $50,000. Remember we will still be penalized 2% for each year under the age of 55, so you have to make it worthwile. Get with the program and you will meet your goal of 25,000 employees.

50000 incentive

I agree 100%.. 24 yr retail clerk hours cut 52-29 within 1 months time and also told i cannot go to offices to help where they are paying o.t. to employees...and we wonder...y are we broke..there are alot of somebodies doing some stupid thinking..

Casual

I work as a casual mailhandler and these union old timers are so freaking useless and lazy..complain about nothing, and are insulted that the younger workers come in and can wipe the floor with their lazy azzes and do twice their workload with ease. Move on and go reire...this is why the car industry is demolished. Its called BUSINESS...how can the USPS compete if it must keep these bums employeed?

I use the USPS

almost exclusively for mailing packages from Key West in my business. In 9 years they are the only carrier to deliver for me everywhere in the country on time, and not lose the package. Fortunately I can print the postage ahead of time and just drop off the package. I can't wait to read all the complaints in the paper in the winter about the long lines from the same people complaining the USPS has too many workers.

the blue room

HELLO I WORK AT SFPDC IN PEMBROKE PINES. WE HAVE HAD A BLUE ROOM FOR MONTHS, AT NIGHT CLERKS COME TO WORK AT 9:30PM AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE BLUE ROOM CLOCK IN AND SIT FOR 2 AND A HALF HOURS EVERY NIGHT. AT THAT TIME THEY GO ON THE FLOOR AND DO THEIR JOB. ON THE WEEKENDS FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT 8 HOURS IS NOT UNCOMMON,AND THEY RECIEVE SUNDAY PAY. ON TOUR 2 WE HAVE SPBS CLERKS THAT GO TO THE BLUE ROOM 40 HOURS A WEEK FOR THE LAST 5 MONTHS. AS SAD AS ITS SOUNDS ITS TRUE. COME ON DOWN AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

Im a spbs clerk in wv and we

Im a spbs clerk in wv and we have to go work outgoing cause we have no mail...constant early offs

WOW! Get a Grip!

First off, if we privatize the USPS you will get your mail, maybe, from someone getting minimum wage who cares less where your mail goes or if you get it. Forget about the birthday money or your new credit card...oops it disappeared..oh and forget about .44 cents to deliver it. Second, years ago Ross Perot did a study for the USPS and told the PMG and his staff that in order to make the USPS profitable and to run smooth it needed to get rid of the dead Managment and start at the top and terminate thetm. Ross was given his fee and told to leave. Our Post Office has no drama, 1 Supervisor and 1 OIC. They are in the lobby all day. Even the Maintenance guys help the customers. Nobody works overtime. 26 Rural Routes, no accidents, nobody calls in sick and if they do we know it must be bad. It is called LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE and it works here. Clerks in by 0400, carriers out by 0930 and back by 1300. Subs get help if needed. Even the custodians help a carrier if the carrier asks....TEAMWORK...and we are UNION! What a shame to have to work in any other atmosphere....liking it here though!

3 HOUR ROUTES??

WHAT OFFICE IS THIS WITH 3 HOUR ROUTES...WOULD LOVE TO DUMP MY 7 HOUR DELIVERY AND COME JOIN YOU GUYS

great comment

i strongly agree. . . .management is dead weight and should've been gone!!!

You are at a little Post office. You have no clue!!!!!!!

I work at a big plant! People go out to their cars or to break rooms for hours on end. They drink and do drugs in the parking lot. This one guy has a mail search that I did thoroughly in 3 hours. It takes him 8! This one guy got fired for getting photographed holding up a huge fish while he was out on disability collecting a paycheck for getting hurt on the job. The APWU got him his job back. The lowest employee gets at least two weeks and three days of sick leave and two weeks of vacation time per year. The highest gets two weeks and three days of sick leave and over five weeks of vacation a year. a lot of them are out of leave in the first four months. Your union protects these people. Then you got the people who carry their load. In maintenance on our shift alone we were working 17-20 employees 6 days a week. I haven't had two days off unless I was on vacation in over four years. You need to open your eyes. We are killing ourselves. I love my job and I am hard at it. The unions are protecting the lazy and the workers have to compensate. If we don't adapt to the changing world we will be eliminated.

ALL LARGE FACILITIES ARE NOT LIKE YOURS!

I also work in a large facility, and it is the total opposite of the one mentioned. Bargaining unit employees care about the work they do! The supervisors are the ones that don't care and that slack in doing their jobs< They are the ones that use drugs and disappear off the workroom floor. The union is not there to protect the "lazy" as you put it. The union is there to protect all workers when their supervisors do not follow the agreement that was made at the national level by the USPS and the unions of each bargaining union.

Union protecting lazy workers is balogna

I've been working at the Postal Service for 26 years. The Union does not protect lazy workers--Management protects them. If management was doing their jobs properly, and very few do because they are too lazy, then workers who should be disciplined would be disciplined. It is wholly and totally management's fault if employees are not doing their jobs properly. The Union, because of US federal law, must represent all employees, but that does not mean they protect them. Management is in charge of getting rid of dead meat, and they, as usual, have failed miserably to do this part of their job. Unfortunately, where I have worked, management promotes lazy workers such as mentioned in your email, and so then the bootlicking lazy employees are the one's in charge of the whole operation. IF Management continues to successfully dupe confused employees into believeing that it is the union's fault, as seems to be the case here, then we really are doomed. But let's get it right--it is management's job to manage their employees. IF this is not being properly done, then management is to blame. 26 year US Postal Worker Business Major Seattle Washington

no mail disappearing- no drama?

I run an apartment complex in Key west- I (my office mailbox)am inundated with erroneous mail! I DO NOT WORK for the usps! It is not my job to deliver mail to the correct addresses or to correctly address them. I have one steady mailperson- he is terrific- yet each and everytime that person is substituted - all the mail is in total disarray! My tenants complain to me - I have called the post master general- nothing is ever done. Minimum wages is going to make this worse? How may I ask? It it criminal that I have to spend over $100.00 in school supplies and pay $5.00 for my child to have a locker in KWHS and people are sitting in a room getting paid by the taxes I pay for WORKING. Get it right people. (and YES it seems upper management may be lacking and that's a great place to start!)

APPARTMENT IN KEY WEST

What you need to understand is that mail (letters, but soon flats) are not sorted by carriers, like they use to be. They are sorted by huge machines that put the letters in delivery sequence (DPS). But it only looks at an address. The machine can not tell if someone has moved. While your regular carrier knows who has moved, any substitute would not. Why? Because one the cards that have that information is back at the post office. And two (this is where the logic of the p.o. comes in) the carriers can't touch that mail until we are loading up our vehicles. Also the dps machine where I work tends to miss read addresses. Example it will read a 4 as a 1. Complicate this with MANAGEMENT telling a carrier to be back in eight hours or risk disipline and to not go through the mail as they should. I think you can see the problem. I have been on the same route for 17 years. When my supervisor tells me not to go through the mail, I ask him to put it in writing, as he is now taking full responsibility for any error that the machine makes. He usually walks away. But I have been there for over 23 years and won't take their abuse. But a new person is intimidated by supervisors so will run and just do what they can to get back in time. This is why your mail is in disarray when your regular is off.

USPS not funded by tax dollars

The USPS is not funded by tax dollars. The only way you would be supporting the USPS is by any postage you purchase. I'm not sure why you mention the cost of you child's locker or school supplies. What do they have to do with the Postal Service?

Get it right or stop your whining.....

Well what is happening is the sub carriers are trying to help your tenants out...First off they all should have their names on their mailboxes so the sub knows where the mail correctly goes.2nd if there is no APT.# on the piece of mail it should be returned IA(insuffienct address).So you and your tenants should be thanking the sub for atleast delivering the mail and not returning it to sender.Another thing is you didnt talk to the "post master general"...you talked to the post master of your local office which is still a little fish in the big pond but is still smart enough to know that the sub carriers are trying to do you and your tenants a favor and your just being a normal inorgant customer...And the biggest thing you got wrong was you dont pay for anything...The Post Office pay's for itself thru stamps and other delivery postage... your taxes dont pay us anything.

Hey Get a Grip....


It has nothing to do with teamwork - it's about the union contract and their ignorance to compete in a supply and deal.

Postal Clerks

This country is full of people that don't know what they are talking about, but like to worry about crap at the Post Office while everything else is being stolen from them. I work at the P.O., It is poorly managed, top heavy, and slow to change. Don't blame the workers for years of mismanagement! The biggest surplus of crude oil and gas, How is that price at the pump you are paying. Got a JOB! a HOUSE! How is your 401K, The big banksters are ripping us off blind and you are worried about your .44 cent stamp, WAKE UP PEOPLE

PO'ed

Too many people and not enough work. You gov't workers need to get a real job and quit slacking. There is this thing called the internet that makes the post office obsolete, except of course the delivery of junk mail that we throw in the garbage unlike the spam we get online which we simply delete...Splain that...

Like it or not there are

Like it or not there are still tens of millions of people in this country that depend upon the USPS. Either they are behind the technology curve, it's a small business that can't afford an IT department, or they can't afford a computer/internet access. Until such time as you are willing to pay to provide every person in this country with a Dell and DSL, and the training to use them, we well still need the USPS. And as for the "slacking" comment. You put 35 pound bag on your shoulders, take off walking for 15 miles in 95 degree heat, then come talk about slacking. I bet you'd be crying for your mommmie by noon.

Splained

Hey Idiot, your delete button "is" your garbage can.

standby

I work in the Boston area I was placed on standby for 4 months standing everyday and getting paid. I conact the OIG, Plant Manger, congressman no one cared still have a job after I hired a lawyer

It took two week for a box to

get from Texas to Key Largo...Just imagine how long you'll wait for health visit....

Blue Room and hiring? HuH!!

Here at the Atlanta main P.O. (Crown Road) employers are placed into a room (ALL DAY LONG) with litteraly nothing to do. Hiring freeze? What freeze? Also here at the Atlanta V.M.F. (3900 Crown Rd. Atl.) manager is set to hire 28 more deadbeats, OOPS, I meant mechanics. So you tell me, whats going ON?

...

employers are placed into a room all day long? thats a bit backwards... or maybe you just dont have enough of a brain to form a coherent sentence. maybe if you did have a brain you'd have transfered to maintenance and gotten on the mechanic register and you wouldnt be a hater... blame yourself, loser...

Maintenance is the back bone

Maintenance is the back bone of the postal service. We have a lot of training and can not be easily replaced. how about you. we can get a monkey oops i mean machine and do what you do!!!

That's a crock of bs ... It

That's a crock of bs ... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to become a mechanic all they do is sit on their fat lazy butts and do nothing!

I'm an Electronic Tech

To call your fellow co-workers "lazy" makes me wonder if you are truly jealous. If your management allows these people to sit around and do nothing.... guess whose at fault.... management. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work in maintenance as mechanic... but that mechanic knows more how that machine works than the person running it. As an ET.... I have a degree in electronics... so I'm the closest you'll get to a rocket scientist here. Go take the test and see if you can be a Mechanic... this way we don't have to hear you whine. I know you can't get to ET without training.

Postal Service

Where did the writer of this article get some of their information? What source told you that the PO was asking Congress to change a law barring them from laying people off with 6 years or less tenure? I don't believe there is a law. It's in the Collective Bargaining Agreement negotiated between the PO and the APWU that employees with 6 years or more service or on the rolls as of 11/20/2006 would not be laid off. The power to change that lies between the PO and the APWU, not Congress. If the PO was smart, they should have negotiated with the various unions at the very beginning for consessions that would be tolerated, so long as management would suffer the same consequences. The PO management only wants to save their hide, and throw the rest of us on the street. Finally, incentives to leave may save the PO, then offer positions in other areas of the country that really need the workers.

SUPERVISORS SITTING AROUND FOR HOURS

we at our p.o. station are having our routes counted (called a 99)15-20 supervisors from other stations arv at 700 am and sit and eat ,laugh, read newspapers till the carriers are ready to head out to street aprox.1000am. talk about a waste of money ,food, hotel ,mileage ,never mind the cost to have someone cover for them at their post office(called 204b).this after routes adjusted in october(made longer -routes elim.)as ex gov of mass . mike dukakis, said the fish rots from the head down. lets start - GET RID OF PEOPLE WHO DONT TOUCH THE MAIL! IF YOU DONT SORT, OR DELIVER SEE-YA.THEN LETS GET RID OF THE 75 % OF MANAGEMENT FAT, SORRY YOU ARE JUST NOT NEEDED! LAST LET THE WORKERS WORK AND GET OUT OF THE WAY, PUTTING BARCODES ON MAILBOX ON A ROUTE DOES NOT SPEED DELIVERY, IT SLOWS IT DOWN( SCAN AT 200PM NOW 145PM NO BRAINER HERE IS A QUICK 15 MIN BREAK TO MAKE SCAN TIME . DAH!)ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE LET THE WORKERS WORK AND STOP MAKING PROGRAMS UP TO JUSTIFY YOUR JOB. WELL THATS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG AND THE BAND PLAYS ON.

Blue Room

In NYC, Morgan GMF, workers are placed in either of 2 standby "Blue Rooms". It's usually not for up to 2 hours, but for the full 8 hours EACH day. Some employees have been there for up to 10 consecutive months. And yes, all the while collecting a FULL PAY CHECK. Now you know America why the USPS is in dire straits. Utterly poor management. And yes, there IS work on the workfloor to be done, but management wants to justify the employees left on the workfloor can handle it all. Of course, they can't. But management "proves" to upper management, they didn't need those in the blue room by showing how many employees they had in the blue room per day. Total WASTE of money when employees WANT to work!!! Talk of massive fraud!!!

Standby

This just starting happening in Middlesex Essex. Mailhandlers are sent to swing room and called out as needed. The end is near.

WASTE

How about the missorts from DPS (computer generated mail that comes in the order of the delivery)? We know computers make errors perhaps from reading poor handwriting, BUT in order to make their numbers, the postal service is paying overtime and the cost of gas to have carriers deliver what, 10 or 15 letters in diferent parts of town after all carriers have returned with their missorts. This is yet another money wasting decision by management. Customers know we have financial problems and yet, having a carrier deliver them one piece of missorted mail during dinnertime makes sense?

USPS

Ask how many supervisors have been let go or transferred out. Get rid of half of management would be a good start. It's not the unions fault that management does not know how to manage.

Hey, the USPS just reduced

Hey, the USPS just reduced 3,000 supervisor positions across the country.

Reduced " positions " but not payroll & benefits

There were some reduction in management positions but those people just got other management positions and keep their existing pay for two years so where is there really " reduction " or savings ?

Hey, the USPS just reduced

USPS just reduced 3,000 supervisor POSITIONS, not SUPERVISORS. Those 3,000 SUPERVISORS are still FLOATING around within the Postal Services HAVING NOTHING TO DO OR LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO.

Management created positions

Management created positions they didn't need and didn't fill so they could sluff them off and say the reduced their complement. Supervisors I know just ended up in higher level positions... The shell game continues.

Unqualified Supervisor

Pertaining to the shell game, our supervisor recently lost her position and was placed elsewhere, doing what, I have no idea. The replacement supervisor has never been a city or rural carrier, doesn't know what the plastic red markers mean in a carriers case. Has no clue of what to do of any issues we bring to her attention. She has to call the preceeding supervisor for advise. If there is a safety issue, she has no idea who to contact to resolve the problem. I'm not looking forward to the February count with this person not knowing anything. It's going to be a disaster or lets say a heck of a lot more worse than they have always been.

No they didn't!

All they did was move them into different positions elsewhere. They still don't produce anything, never touch a piece of mail or do anything to generate revenue, yet they still draw the same high dollar salary and benefits as they did in their old position.

unions

If the corporate giants and governmental agencies whose main concerns are profits and management benefits, would show loyalty and respect for their dependable, compentent employees there would be no need for unions. Unions are the only way today's workers have a way of being heard. Management,treat your workers in a way that they can have security and a chance at a slice of the American Dream for themselves and their families and you'll have a better worplace, a better community, and a better country. This type of shabby treatment is what led to the strictly American idiom,"going postal".

In the words of AFL Union Commie George Meaney:

"The most harmful thing a company can do to it's empolyees is to not make a profit. For without profit there can be no gainful employment"

Something for the Post Office, government worker unions and unions in general to consider

In the words of Abraham Lincoln:

Without labor, there is no business!

just remember

AMERICA WORKS BEST WHEN WE SAY UNION YES!!this country was built UNION

that is just...

...funny...

Next Time You're in the Post Office ...

... remember the same brain trust wants to run your health care

We live on a tourist island with only two mail boxes - outside of the two post offices

The toll collector mentality causes serpentine lines at each post office the worst of which being the one on Whitehead

The postal 'service' is the poster child for why government can't do anything as well as the private sector

Boss's Lunch

Who is going to make the run to Wendy's?

as well as the private sector?

The private sector like AIG and Bank of America?
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