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City OKs tour rules

Key West has a new rule governing the way sightseeing tour vehicles operate on city streets, but lawmakers failed to hash out a specific agreement for a company that wants to start a new trolley-tour business here.

In a meeting that began at 6 p.m. Tuesday, the Key West City Commission approved a general ordinance at 1:05 a.m. Wednesday, after seven hours of discussing city business.

After the vote, the commission stopped the meeting and said it would reconvene at 4:30 p.m. Wednesday to finalize a specific franchise agreement for CityView Trolleys, which wants to begin tour operations this tourist season.

City Attorney Shawn Smith advised the commission on Wednesday to postpone approving the CityView franchise until a December meeting that is legally and publicly noticed. Smith said he did not want anyone to challenge the agreement on the grounds that it was approved during a meeting that had not been publicly noticed.

CityView will be the first company to compete with Historic Tours of America (HTA), which operates the Conch Tour Train and Old Town Trolley.

In a landmark legal decision, HTA's previously exclusive franchise agreement with the city of Key West was ruled a monopoly. The city earlier this year paid an $8 million settlement to the owners of Duck Tours Seafari, which was driven out of business by city officials and the monopoly.

"This commission is in the position that people could believe you don't care what the law is," attorney Mick Barnes, who represents CityView, told the commission late Tuesday. He criticized the commission for waiting until a new tour business wanted to begin operations before officials reworked their franchise laws.

Under the new sightseeing law, tour operators will pay a one-time application fee of $5,000 to establish their franchise. After that, businesses will pay the city 5 percent of their gross revenue, or a minimum of $7,500 per vehicle, with annual increases according to the Consumer Price Index that makes adjustments for cost-of-living increases throughout the nation. There also will be a penalty for late payments.

Commissioner Mark Rossi emphasized that the city should receive 5 percent of gross sales, whether the tickets are sold in Key West, on cruise ships or online.

During the discussion overnight Tuesday, commissioners also eliminated a rule that would have prevented competing tour companies from operating within 150 feet of each other. The city attorney advised against the protective zone, and instead suggested that controversial trolley stops be decided on by the city manager.

Other requirements in the new law require potential franchisees to also submit a traffic impact study to show the city how their vehicles will affect local traffic and residents' quality of life.

Commissioners Teri Johnston and Jimmy Weekley emphasized their concern about the quality-of-life issue.

"We've been hearing what (HTA) wants in this law and what CityView wants," Johnston said. "Let's turn this around and say what we want, and then let companies decide if they want to come in and operate in this environment. I want to see more specific quality-of-life issues in this."

Johnston had suggested at a previous meeting that tour companies be forced to give their customers headphones to eliminate amplified tours from residential neighborhoods. Her motion failed.

Weekley also said he is concerned about increasing the number of vehicles on city streets.

"I am going to ask for a one-year moratorium on any increase in sightseeing vehicle or taxi licenses in this town," Weekley said. "Unfortunately, those already in the pipeline need to move forward."

He wants the city to commission a comprehensive traffic study in the coming year to determine an acceptable number of sightseeing trolleys, trains, buses, taxis, pedicabs and other vehicles.

He acknowledged the city must proceed with the pending franchise agreements with CityView and Duck Tours Seafari, which submitted a proposal to the city last month.

mbolen@keysnews.com

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Rip-Off Artists

I took the tour with visiting relatives. They charged me $39 apiece and would not accept that I and my wife were locals and eligible for a discount. In other words, they considered me a liar. I paid for four seats with my Keys Federal VISA card but that wasn't enough to identify me as a local, for the HTA nazis. HTA can shove off as far as I'm concerned, I hope they're run out of business. Ripping off their customers and calling them liars! Great business model.

That'll teach you to give a red cent to those crooks.

I NEVER send friends or relatives to HTA when they're in town. I tell them what cheesy a**es they are and how bad the tour is. You know, by the way, that some of their long-time, loyal employees were screwed when they were hurt on the job. HTA issued a RESTRAINING order against an injured woman, because they were trying to make a point and deny her claim that she was injured by HTA. These people are nothing but scum. Some of the people who work for them (like the woman in charge of the Conch Train these days who was once a ticket seller) are just a bunch of Conch suckups doing Ed's bidding and feeling high on all the 'power' he's given them. AGAIN, DO NOT GIVE THESE PEOPLE A PENNY OF YOUR MONEY AND DO NOT SEND ANYONE TO THEM AT ALL. DO NOT LINE THE POCKETS OF EX-DRUG DEALERS.

Commissioner Terri Johnston

made so much sense when she suggested tour operators must use headphones to eliminate amplified tours. Why in the world was this voted down??? Two biggest proglems -traffic congestion and the noise - and they had an opportunity to get rid of the loud talking.

Glad to see all tickets will be taxed

Why is it that I feel the only tickets HTA pays 5% revenue on are the ones the sell at the depots? We probably have only received half (if that) for the past many years. It is sold online - not counted. If it is sold on a cruise ship - not counted. If the passenger rides on our streets, they ought to be paying the 5%.

Holy Moly

Holy Moly. HTA is a homegrown company that has done more for this city than most businesses (and certainly the people who constantly complain in these forums) have ever done for Key West! Between sponsoring Children's Day since it's inception, A Day to Remember, hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations to charities and non-profits, providing millions of dollars in revenue over the years to the city of Key West, active on planning boards and associations, and not to mention, HTA has been instrumental in putting Key West on the map as a destination, etc. etc. etc. Whether you like it or not, HTA has always been a good "citizen" to this town. Yeah, I know getting stuck behind a Conch Train can really ruin my day (from the sound of some of the complaints on this forum, getting stuck behind a Conch Train is worse than getting an eye pocked out with a spoon), but jeez... all of these people on that Conch Train are spending money in your stores, your grocery stores, buying gas, eating at your restaurants, using YOUR services and businesses, etc. Instead of constantly complaining in these forum, perhaps you should take an active role in your community. Go to the commission meetings, give constructive criticism, come up with ideas and suggestions to make KW a better place... stop wasting your time CONSTANTLY complaining... it's getting real old.

And Your Name Is??

Maybe CB?

"HTA has been instrumental

"HTA has been instrumental in putting Key West on the map as a destination"? You make it sound like people are actually travelling to Key West just to ride the Conch Train. I really don't think people decide to vacation here because of HTA.

That's some sort of self-congratulatory post from HTA's

minions. Betcha they've been coached yet again, because they fear for their jobs. ::shudder:: What a nasty bunch of bullies HTA is.

Good grief, HTA. Here's some constructive criticism, HTA

Looks like HTA and Swifty and Belland are working overtime to create a 'gosh gee whiz' comment like this. Ok, here's some constructive criticism.

How about paying your rents and bills and fees ON TIME for once? Perhaps the citizens would appreciate your paying them on time when clearly you've been able to afford it. You can't blame the economy because you've been consistently 6 - 8 months late every month on everything, for the past 10 or 15 years.

How about paying the back-shortages recently brought to light? You've sucked at the teat of the taxpayers in this town for far too long, knowingly screwing them every single day. Paying the back amount and penalties would go a long way towards helping the city with some budgetary shortfalls. Now THAT would show me a good corporate citizen.

How about teaching your drivers to use the truth in their spiel? One particlar driver has told the same exact lie in front of my house for the past 6 years.

How about re-training your drivers so they do not come to a virtual stop in front of the Hemingway House so they can deliver their entire spiel for more tips? That's not the only place - train them properely to give their tour and keep moving. They stop and then traffic backs up through the traffic light at Truman and Whitehead and everyone loses.

How about teaching your trolley drivers to not take their half out of the middle on streets like Margaret and Grinnell, so oncoming traffic does not have to back up to let the big honking orange piece of crap roll down the street? If the thing can't get down the street without blocking the street, don't go there.

How about finding a way so that the propane fumes from a trolley that is idling or moving very slowly, do not blow into the faces of the occupants of the vehicle behind them, making them nauseated?

How about paying your employees a decent wage, with set work hours, and while you're at it, how about allowing them to really ask for a tip if someone enjoyed the tour? Oh wait! I forgot! Your tickets are so expensive that riders assume that it includes a tip to the driver.

This whole thing about HTA being a good citizen is nauseating simply because we know that Swift has the highest rents in town. So he's not helped out any of the businesses who have ever rented from him. We know that Swift hasn't paid as he was supposed to on the Steamplant property while he made his profit, and that Keys Energy rewrote the debt to make it more accomodating to the grand Mr. Swift. This 'Holy Moly' post is really just more fantastical gibberish that we hear on any given day on any given tour.

8 million worth of good?

I agree HTA has done good in the community, but it has cost us 8 million dollars. That would have bough a lot of childrens days and charity donations. You obviously do not live in Old Town or you would realize what a nuisence these trains are. Also, they are not shopping in my store since they are being shuttles past it to Ed Swift's stores where the cruise ship crowd buys cheap shot glasses made in China. If the complaining is getting old, do not read the comments anymore.

Holy Moly is right.. Mr. Scales

As if all the other businesses in Key West aren't as generous, and don't contribute in the same manner. And as if competitors of HTA wouldn't be committed to community, or a variety of tour types and vehicles wouldn't enhance our City. Yes yes, of course, all the other businesses in town just get to ride on the coat tails of the honorable HTA like blood sucking hyenas and don't help the community themselves. Clearly they wouldn't exist if not for the generosity of HTA and are happy about the need for the City to bleed more tax revenue out of them because the City owes $8.5 Million from a suit HTA caused and then quietly snuck away from. You are starting to believe your own self aggrandizement...Holy Moly is right.

CitizenWrongAgain

Wow!!! this is jsut proof that the citizen was wrong again!!!!The city Comission did not approve an Ordinance allowing for tour rules....Pay attention....it would be good to get some accurate reporting!

Too bad

Too bad the city was bullied into granting this based on fear of past law suits. I support competition, but the city should have put together an agreement that works for Key West, not for Swift and his competitors. Anything that would have helped residents of old town like noise control or limits on the number of vehicles was voted down. We will remember Mr Rossi. I guess now we need more cruise ships to keep the new trams in business. Next up, 1000 more scooters and electric cars... This town is sooooo tacky. Thanks goodness some sucker from North Carolina bought my house so I can move up the keys.

Crazy Suggestion?

Why don't we halt HTA's license until they pay us WHAT THEY OWE? How much have they paid each year for both the train and trolley for the past 10 years? What do they owe us? What do they owe in other city fees? What do they owe in late sewer fees?

response to too bad

what is really too bad is that the city took no action over five years ago to prepare for competition coming in. If they had a template crafted and in place, like a responsible city would have, they wouldn't be "bullied". And once again, as was pointed out, right now HTA has NO limit on vehicles, which is why they allow their empty trains and trolleys to ride around taking up space.

Commisisioners

 on weekly and rossi

Same old

clown show with stupid suggestions since Weekley is back in town. Now he's wasting paper trying to get the US Military to change its policy on gays. He'll never learn...

Enough of protecting HTA

"Unfortunately, those in the pipeline need to move forward." That comment shows an unwillingness to promote fair competition in Key West. One of the major concerns is about the number of licenses that are to be allocated. I have a suggestion. All current licenses would be put into a "tourist transportation pool". Each company, including HTA, would go through all of the new requirements... including preparing an impact report on their operations here in Key West. Once the companies have completed the requirements, the Commission could decide how to allocate the licenses and decide on the payment structure. If you think this is unfair to HTA, think about the 8 million dollars it has already cost the citizens of Key West for their monopoly. They have been raking in the dough for years. The residents of Key West don't want any additional tourist services. I haven't heard anything that indicates that the current level of service done by HTA isn't adequate for the volume of traffic. Keep the same pie, but just give out the pieces fairly. HTA has run it's monopoly for long enough. I have a problem with the Commissioners trying to protect that monopoly. It's time to level the playing field for current and future tourist transportation.

Auction Them

The city should auction these licenses off and make them for less then 20 years. Many cities do similar things for taxi or vendor licenses. You limit them to a certain number and auction them off. Whoever pays the most is in. This is fair and free competition without Old Town becoming a complete zoo. It would also raise a great sum of money for the city.

ABSOLUTELY! Limit the number of licenses and then

auction them off to the highest bidder. Betcha there wouldn't be so many almost-empty trolleys and trains clogging our streets if that were the case.

Weekly at it again

What an absolute joke. Weekly is responsible in a large part for the law suit that cost us $8,000,000 already, and no sooner is he back on the Commission than he is already trying to protect his buddy Swift's monopoly, just by using a new ploy. "One year moratorium on increasing sightseeing vehicles"...and "it's UNFORTUNATE those in the pipeline need to move forward." How about reducing Swift's to ZERO for failure to pay and lying to the commission about paying??? There's your reduction Jimmy boy. Three cheers for Teri Johnston.

Boy did you ever hit the

Boy did you ever hit the nail on the head!

tour monopoly

ditto

week minded

here here!!!!!!!!!

HTA monopoly and Weekly

First I can't believe Weekly was elected, talk about short term memories, He cost the taxpayers 8.5 millon, which the city is trying to recoup by giving us all parking tickets. Now trying protect Swift again. He didn't learn a thing from the past. HTA's logo should be 1 trolley = 30 cars behind it.

Citizen's of Key West,

Citizen's of Key West, watch.....Weekley will be the one who pushes for SOMETHING that will benefit HTA, dressed up to look like he's working for the "benefit of the city". It's only a matter of time.

See who else HTA's principles contributed to - Clayton Lopez

for one. Let's see how he votes. He's been bought and paid for.

week minded

You know what got Weekley elected? A turnover in key west from when he was mayor and trust me he is gonna shoot for that position again..... God forbid!!!!!! This man is not a nice guy, he is the poster boy for bubba politics .He wears several hats and each one has a different face and they are all double sided.
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