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Wednesday, April 7, 2010
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City, school deal in limbo

The city of Key West and the School Board want to talk about a possible deal on the Glynn Archer Elementary School building, but neither group is leaping for it.

The problem: The School Board isn't sure it wants to sell the historic school, and the City Commission isn't willing to start talks to buy it until knowing the cost of renovating the 82-year-old structure into city offices.

Mayor Craig Cates on Tuesday night couldn't garner enough votes to direct the city manager to negotiate with the School Board on a price for the White Street property because some commissioners wanted more information.

Commissioner Teri Johnston said the city should wait for the results of a structural, environmental and civil engineering study of the building, which should take about six weeks.

"Do we have one solid number what it would cost to rehab Glynn Archer?" Johnston asked. "Then how on earth can we negotiate if we don't know that number? We cannot send you into negotiations until we have a number of what it would cost to bring it up to operable [condition]."

The structure now houses an elementary school with Internet connectivity, smart boards and other modern amenities. The school system's plan is to move the Glynn Archer students to an as-yet constructed elementary classrooms next to a proposed new $36 million Horace O'Bryant Middle School.

After months of discussions between Cates and Schools Superintendent Joe Burke, the two agreed generally that Glynn Archer might be purchased or leased by the city, which would renovate it and move its employees there. The school district also could lease, from the city, office space there, as well as build a new board room. The idea is to create a centralized government office park where parking would be plentiful for both bureaucracies.

But the worry, it seems, is in the details.

To gut the building and reconfigure walls, hallways and ceilings from classroom layout to city offices -- including Americans with Disabilities Act compliance -- would cost $18 million, school district construction officials have said. That figure worries city commissioners, who have determined that a brand-new, stand-alone City Hall might cost only $10 million. The city, however, is considering also building a fire station next to a new City Hall as well as erecting a new parking structure for $18 million, City Manager Jim Scholl said.

Cates urged commissioners to let Scholl start talks. The failed resolution would have directed Scholl to determine what the district would consider a "fair price," but not to seal the deal.

"The purpose is to begin ... we have to start someplace," Cates said. "We need to see what it will take to remodel it; that's the part of the negotiations [the school district] can come back to us with a figure."

Commissioner Mark Rossi said he was against negotiating with the district for Glynn Archer unless the city included talks to take over Horace O'Bryant, which sits on several acres next to the Key West Police Department headquarters. Rossi said it makes better sense to buy HOB and its surrounding acreage and move city offices there.

"The most logical situation is to take HOB, turn it over to us and make it a campus for police, city offices and parking; and that is the logical explanation for us," he said.

The School Board also isn't quite settled on what should be done next. A similar vote to direct the school system attorney to talk with the city about HOB used the term "appropriate disposition" rather than "sell."

That's the only way School Board member Debra Walker said she would vote for it at the March School Board meeting.

Walker said Tuesday morning that it wouldn't cost anything close to $18 million, the figure district Facilities Director Fred Sims calculated for the renovation of Glynn Archer. Proponents in the school system have argued that the district should sell the school with minor renovations.

"If we keep the interior classrooms and don't tear them out and move walls to create government offices, it will only cost $1.9 million to renovate," Walker said. "Kids can stay there now. There are two kinds of issues that would need to be addressed: ADA compliance, installing elevators and renovating bathrooms and other work."

Board member John Dick isn't convinced the district should sell the property.

"We need to see what the best deal is for all concerned," he said of the city. "My order of importance is the school district first, then the city of Key West; their importance is the opposite. We need to know the details."

In spite of the unease of city commissioners and school officials, board member Steve Pribramsky believes the deal -- that is, the city buys Glynn Archer and the district and city both relocate offices there after renovations -- will go through.

"I believe there are four votes on the School Board to sell the school to the city," he said.

City Commissioner Barry Gibson also is upbeat about the possibility.

"I think we have some small obligation to make the best of both worlds to see if we can make a deal here," he said.

In other business, the City Commission:

• Approved a contract with Kimberly-Horn and Associates Inc. for design and construction engineering services for the eventual beautification and extension of Petronia, Angela, Southard and other streets that run west from Duval Street to Truman Waterfront.

• Agreed to audits of all city agreements in which percentage rent is collected. The city charges some businesses on city-owned property a percentage of their income or sales for rent.

• Approved an agreement for the Tropical Soup Corp. to lease the former city Chamber of Commerce building at 402 Wall St.

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With all of the talk about

With all of the talk about closing Glynn Archer, I haven't really heard how this will impact the pre-K at Reynolds. So what's the deal, spend more to save more?

Crazy people... we can move

Crazy people... we can move all of the kids from HOB to the Rick's/Durty Harry's complex during the day. More than enough police presence to provide resource officers. And if additional space is needed for Advanced Placement classes I'm sure the Red Garter could also be made available. Just think of all the valuable education our kids could get towards their futures; pole dancing, pizza making, bar tending, bouncer training...

Build an addition at Poinciana

There is plenty of land at poinciana to build another section to bring in glynn archer students and then also build a gym

The school board has

The school board has previously committed to restore the soccer fields at that location. The school board is supposed to have almost $480,000 earmarked to start restoration of the fields this summer according to their agreement with the city. Can't buy books, paper or teaching aids but they can buy dirt!

Hey, don't you know...

The Toppinos can't make money on books, paper or teaching aides-- only on concession stands and soccer fields.

Build a new city hall on Flagler

Rossi says buy HOB and the acreage for the city hall and Pd and fire. Hmmm... So exactly Mr Rossi do you propose where the new HOB be built that will not mean busing every single student. Why doesn't the city just buy the large vacant property on Flagler next to the church and put the new city hall there and firedept and PD, tho we would lose a boat ramp for sure And if glynn archer is sold and rebuilt at Hob that means 2 schools share the fields and the gym. How thought out is that one

School Deal

What appears to me is that the city would be paying for something that is in disrepair and if the school board cared about the children and teachers that campus would of had repairs and maintenance completed long ago. Enough with these shames of meetings it is time to go into a room and don't come out until the best deal for everyone specially the children is completed. I think it makes sense for the city to buy HOB site after doing an assessment of what renovations would cost. Common sense says for the school board to sell the HOB property at a fair price and take money and repair the Archer site. How bout having the Acevedo's doing some of the work to pay back what they stole. Maybe they can do an episode of HGTV's Holmes on Homes featuring them. Enough talk it is time to make the children and citizens of Key West proud, do the right thing.

City Hall

I think it's a waste of money to move temporarily into the strip mall. Use that money to fix the buildings and move only once into new City Hall. I think this current administration still thinks they have the Federal military coffers to dip into.

You said it. Example: City Mgr is ex-military commander and he

can't meet deadlines and he has to have double the number of assistants as the previous City Mgr had - while he's making 50% more than the previous City Mgr made. What a joke.

What a joke.

Commissioner Teri Johnston was the only sane one on the dais last night. One commissioner was clearly drunk. I'll leave it to you to guess which one. Hint, hint: He's bigger than a bread box, a lot bigger. Glynn Archer school, as Johnston pointed out, will have to be completely gutted to be of any value-- it's loaded with asbestos, lead paint and pipes, and it's termite-ridden. Mayor Cates astounded and surprised me with his ignorance: "We won't use the whole building, so we won't have to repair the whole building." Huh? You're gonna seal off half the asbestos and hope it won't come in through the ducts? The most disgusting part of this whole scenario is that our kids have been and are currently attending school daily in this biologically hazardous death-trap. Bring in the EPA investigators, close the school and arrest the School Board for endangering childrens' lives. As far as City Hall goes, gut and refurbish the one we have... or tear it down and build a new one where it stands. The money's already allocated. You're just stalling because some whining neighbor doesn't want her guesthouse patrons to lose any sleep. And Commissioner Rossi, I suggest you review the tape of last night's meeting. Your little tirade was truly embarrassing.

Gotta agree about Rossi. He

Gotta agree about Rossi. He really seems to be loosing it more then in the past. I hope his constituents are not dumb enough to re-elect him.

Bozo's in Limbo

Mark Rossi continues to show his stupidity about moving City Hall to the current HOB site to be near the PD and FD, get real, they don't want you near them, you haven't been for nearly 10 years and it has worked out great. Second, Mr Stupidity, where do you plan to put the HOB kids? Third Mr Stupidity, city hall need less than 2 acres, who would you sell the remaining 8 acres to, Toppino, I stand corrected, he is the City Contractor, ie, $225,000 concession stand. The bottom line Mr. Nit Wit, you have been here 25 years, time for you to say good bye.

City Indecision

Like many I watched the discussion about looking at Glynn Archer as a possible alternative site. Putting to one side that the motion wasn't necessary because the Commission had already given Jim Scholl the authority in February - what happened last night was a shambles. Where on earth were the City staff who are employed to advise the Commissioners. The decision does NOT require $40,000+ of consultant time. The calculation is blindingly simple. Staff know refurb costs will run at around $300 ft2 x 35,000 = $10.5m. Take off that the value of site released at Angela Street at $350K per year parking income at 5% yield = $7m. The net cost is therefore around $3.5m. It follows that if the School Board want more than say $7m then it's a dead duck. I don't blame the Commissioners - it's the job of highly paid staff to help our elected officials who lack the experience to grasp the fundamentals of development. I just hope this staggering inertia ends before we lose the opportunity available to us.

What?

If I read 2/4ths-the net word content of $3.4 million sec. of the time people spend covering ft2 x 35,000 steps to get to Faustos, will I understand what the heck you are saying?

I agree. The way our city

I agree. The way our city runs is a joke. The School Board will wait like they did with the Harris School and sell it to a developer. By the way, why do we need to spend all this money building schools? Most towns have schools that are over 100 years old.

Scholl and company are totally useless. He has two assistants

and still can't get bids out on time. I suspect his ineptitude is the reason we have all this street work being done on such a tight schedule. The Feds don't give anyone 6 months to complete huge projects in order to get Federal grants and funds. But the inept City administrators will sit around with their thumb up their butts, doing nothing, then wonder why their thumb stinks.

I agree with you, Frustrated. At this point, I'd think that they need a basic 'rule of thumb' assessment to come up with a cost, then when negotiating the sale, that would be an item that would impact the final closing figures. How dumb ARE our commissioners and the city staff?

All decisions should be tabled

until after the election , then maybe the Commisioners will be in line with what the voters want. Not the developers.

Let's start with the idiots

Let's start with the idiots at the school board that are too short-sighted to think beyond the vision of the dollar bill. In a few years, they willl be faced with a state mandated order to cap the size of classes. Hopefully, gone will be the days of 35 or more students per class. Now, these fools will most assuredly take the word of the half million dollar "experts" telling them that the student population is declining, much like it was supposed to at KWHS. That is why we have students crammed in converted storage closets and janitorial closets, why they have violated fire safety codes. This is also why almost 25% of the Marathon school sits empty, because the Marathon population was going to "explode" and there would be more than enough children to fill the school. The school district spent $40 million dollars to build KWHS and essentially CAN NOT afford the utilities to run it properly, yet because of the design, Marathon is air conditioning unused rooms according to several people. No matter what seems to happen, you can rest assured these yo-yos will more than likely not do what is right for "Student success".
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