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Thursday, July 29, 2010
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Students must pay for oil classes
BP will not reimburse for FKCC curriculum

People who independently took courses so they could help clean beaches and shorelines if oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill hit the Florida Keys won't be reimbursed by British Petroleum.

Florida Keys Community College collected $33,075 in tuition for eight such classes it offered: three hazardous materials courses that cost $575 each, three that cost $525 each and two oiled wildlife response courses that cost $50 each.

Marine Environmental Technology Program Dean Patrick Rice, who helped organize an instructor to teach the classes, told students in May that BP might reimburse them, but a company spokesman on Wednesday said BP will not pay for courses it didn't create.

"During each course we recommended [students] hold on to their receipts in case BP was willing to reimburse them," Rice said Wednesday. "We didn't know; things were changing daily and BP had reimbursed us the initial $10,000, and it seemed wise to hold on to the course receipts."

BP gave the college $10,000 specifically to train 100 people in a four-hour Occupational Safety and Health Administration Marine Oil Spill Post-Emergency Response course in May, and those students were reimbursed, college spokeswoman Amber Ernst-Leonard said.

Rice said BP initially would not say whether it would reimburse independent students for subsequent classes because, "They didn't want to send a message around the Keys that it was necessary to prepare for oil [coming ashore]."

BP eventually made it clear that it would not reimburse the students, Rice said. BP spokesman Andrew Van Chau "was the first person I had talked to who wasn't a brick wall," Rice said.

Van Chau met with Rice and other college staff in June to discuss subsequent classes.

"Dr. Rice wanted to pursue some additional opportunities for folks to take training, which he pursued independent of our efforts," Van Chau said. "There was no discussion of possible reimbursement; those courses were pursued independently of our efforts."

Some people criticized the college for charging so much for the classes. The college said it simply was trying to respond to a need to train as many volunteers as possible -- even as BP and other government agencies were still working out their roles in the crisis, Ernst-Leonard said.

Van Chau would not say how much BP has spent on classes since hiring Plant Performance Services (PS2) in July to train 300 Keys residents, through the South Florida Workforce, to be "qualified community responders."

"We hope they're never needed," employment agency spokesman Ed Hoover said. "But if the oil ever hits -- we're keeping our fingers crossed -- they're on standby and ready to help."

jguerra@keysnews.com

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Blame Chicken Little Rice

This isn't a BP issue, this is a Patrick Rice/FKCC issue. You had a self appointed oil spill expert in Rice on every local radio station and newspaper. If the local media ever inquired with NOAA what they thought of Rice's statements, etc. you might not hold him in such high regard. He incorrectly ASSUMED BP would provide funding for the class. But hey, consider the money well spent. You got some good training and you learned not to believe everything an instructor tells you.

It wasn't BP

It wasn't BP who set the cost of these classes, it was FKCC. And all they did was drag in a new bum who claimed to have knowledge of such things and pay him 10 bucks to show up for a few classes. Then they pocketed the money. If you're looking for your money back, I suggest you call the "college." You can find their number on the back cover of matchbooks.

No surprise here

When BP promised to "make everything right", they had their fingers crossed behind their back. BP has no intention of doing anything they are not FORCED to do, despite all their happy-talk. And yeah... we're now expected to believe the oil is evaporating or magically turning into iced tea, Kool-Aid, or something. If oil quickly turns into somethng so benign, then why are there such stringent laws about what happens if you or I spill a few gallons, hm?

blame FKCC, they overcharged and promised what they

weren't authorized to sell, the other classes with a reimbursment promise. FKCC used the 10,000 and saw an opportunity to make a quick buck from the hysteria. We complained to Mayor Cates about the price gouging and he advised the fishermen in our marina to WAIT until funding was authorized. He knew not to spend money on unpromised funds that weren't actually available. Mayor Cates personally saved us a lot of money, FKCC is the scammer here , not BP.

OMG! Which way are we leaning today?

I love the inconsistancy of human nature. As the wind blows, so to does that positions of the readers. Property values dropped. Sales stopped immediately for real estate. Fishing charters and hotel bookings stopped. Bars and restaurants were hurt and yet a few folks filed suit against BP and some filed claims. They were all labelled as opportunists by most of the readers/commenters here and that there was no effect by the oil in the keys and they were claim/sue happy. Hello? Where are all of you now? None of us were effected by the oil because it never made it ashore(yet). Right? We are all better off now because of the spill.........All together now everone say....."Never, no, sorry it's Always....."

Obviously you are someone

Obviously you are someone that is well healed and does not have to work in the tourist related business. If you talk to just about anyone that DOES derive their income from the tourist industry, the facts support a definite adverse affect from the publicity associated with the oil and Florida although it did not reach here. Some businesses were affected more than others. Bottom line, this is one thing that we did not cause or prepare for. Many of us chose to try and do the best we could to get ready for a possible catastrophe, at our own expense, taking off from our jobs and loosing further money. We are all very happy and indeed blessed that the oil has not made it to the Keys. It could have happened, almost did happen and probably will eventually happen if drilling occurs near Cuba. My business lost 20 to 30% this year during what usually are the best summer months. I got dozens of emails and phone calls from people wanting to know about the oil in the Keys before they came down. I've had tourists tell me, even after they got here, they didn't want to eat the seafood or did not go in the ocean because they thought there might be oil out there. Who knows how many more never bothered to call and just went elsewhere. So, to say there was no affect and those that did react are opportunists is inconsistent with the facts. So, to say "none of us" were affected by the oil, you must not have any friends in Key West that have to work or you live in a total vacuum.

WHAT?

How long have you had a business here? There hasn't been a good summer in over 10 years. Business is down all over the country because of the economy. People don't come to Key West because the hotels are overpriced the town is dirty and they don't want to deal with the panhandlers and the homeless. If you have a problem getting customers maybe you picked the wrong business to open. If it deals with the water in any way you should be calling the papers and radio stations that were sceaming ITS THE END OF THE WORLD every day for months instead of reporting the facts and reassuring everyone that the beaches and waters were and still are clean and free of oil.

Steve is right. Most everyone is dependent on tourism in some

way or another. Even the county and city employees who continue to whine about their income, are dependent. If the tourism industry loses, then businesses close, then the tax base shrinks and so does the government worker pool. (It needs to shrink anyway. I see a ton of people at the County license office doing absolutely NOTHING when I go in there. Get rid of a few.)

BP

I know this was going to happen. I said all along if BP and FKCC wanted to offer classes, they should be free to any volunteers who wanted to participate. I feel bad for all the people who got ripped off. Live and learn. I wish there was a BP Station in the Keys so I could boycott the thing.

The next bit of BP propaganda is already happening...

Meanwhile, the new blarney of how the uncountable millions of gallons of oil seem to have vanished without a trace, leaving no mearusable harm, is already making its appearance in the corporate controlled news... The magic microbes did it. Never mind the already thousand miles of despoiled coastline and contaminated hatcheries; never mind marine biologists pointing out that the oil sinking to the bottom does immeasurable harm to the food chain. BP will use this controlled news to lull sleepy headed people into thinking the problem just evaporated... and in the Keys, the land of tomorrow never happens, there is a ripe audience for such nonsense. Meanwhile these good citizens, bracing themselves for the worst, intent on helping with the clean-up, got duped by a cooperative effort of FKCC and the oil snakes. If FKCC were a half decent exemplar of citizenship it would re-imburse the students, but that's asking a lot, I guess. And now the head of BP is American... how comforting, because Americans would never lie for the corporate interests, now, would they? Ask the guys at Enron...

BP must stand for Bullcrap Procrastinators

Watch what they do not what they say! I presume its ok to spend a gadzillion dollars on warm and fuzzy touchy feely good oh what a great company we are and see how terrific we're progressing in helping all the impacted peoples of the gulf freaking TV COMMERCIALS. but oh we never agreed to pick up a miniscule tab for mitigation training. I hope this story hits the AP and Rueters. BP change your name to BPS that S for SUCKS

In the end

we will pick up all of BP's bills.....My suggestion is to boycott all BP stations in your area.

BP stations are individually

BP stations are individually owned and operated. They are not owned by BP. Boycotting the stations with only hurt the local owners. I do not see how this would impact BP, but it might really hurt your neighbor who owns the station.

BUT maybe the owner will break their contract with BP which will

send a message. Don't know...just seems that there's always a 'stream of income' to BP from anything with their name on it.

I just read this article. Seems station owners are reticent to

remove the BP brand from their stations, even though they're losing money. So, I say we make our decisions, and boycot them. Then they can make their decisions.

(You're going to have to cut 'n' paste this into your browser. It doesn't appear that Keys News can link to a long URL like this.) http://www.aolnews.com/gulf-oil-spill/article/bp-gas-stations-debate-changing-their-name/19574658?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl1|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fgulf-oil-spill%2Farticle%2Fbp-gas-stations-debate-changing-their-name%2F19574658

Yes, but...

Anyone who is peddling BP products should not be surprised if people no longer want to support BP, and they should be looking for something else to do. BP has been a scoundrel of a company for year. Anyone selling their products has had plenty if time to find alternatives. Maybe a boycot WON'T hurt BP, but there's just no way I'm going to support them, or their retailers. Should we keep buying lousy products just because some real nice people make money selling them? I think not.

Make It Right...

So much for the ad campaign.... Thanks BP for making it right...
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