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7.3% of Keys residents can be packing

About a dozen people sat in the smallish classroom at Down Range Concepts in Key West on Thursday, ready to begin learning the ins and outs of Florida's concealed carry law, firearms safety and the legal liability that accompanies carrying a weapon.

Among the students was Rob Nevius, a boat captain and fishing charter guide who has been on the waters around Key West for more than 15 years. The time had come, the captain said, to inquire about guns and learn the law.

"There have been boat hijackings," Nevius said. "It does happen out there."

Standing before the group was John McGee, a security contractor, Monroe County sheriff's deputy, Big Coppitt Gun Club investor, and a Florida concealed carry permit and firearms instructor.

"You may be surprised how many boat captains have taken the course," McGee said.

The issue of concealed carry, particularly in Florida, recently was catapulted into the national debate by the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla. Neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, 28, a concealed carry holder, has been charged with second-degree murder.

Monroe County ranks second in the state in the number of concealed carry weapons permits issued per capita, according to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, which administers the permits. There were 5,370 concealed carry holders in the Keys as of March 31, which was 7.3 percent of the population, according to the state agency's website.

The rankings were compiled this month by the News Service of Florida, which found Dixie County leading the state with one in 10 residents having concealed carry permits. Statewide, the per capita average is 4.2 percent. Calhoun, Gilchrist, Glades, Lafayette, Liberty, St. Johns and Sumter counties all have the lowest per capita concealed weapons rates, all under 3 percent.

"It does surprise me, because the demographic here is more live and let live and most of the demographic here doesn't seem to be the type to carry a weapon," McGee said of the Keys. "It doesn't seem to be something that people here think about."

Still, McGee couldn't argue with the numbers, or the fact that his business has been doing well.

"I do get quite a bit of interest from people about what's involved and all the requirements on the legal side," McGee said. "Before, I would hold a class of six to eight people once every month or so. Now I'm holding classes every week or two weeks."

Natalie Maddox was another of McGee's students. A worker with the Visiting Nurse Association & Hospice of the Florida Keys, Maddox does a lot of fundraising and driving up and down the Keys.

"I'm out of town, staying in hotels overnight a lot," Maddox said, adding that as a female, she also wanted to learn more about how to protect herself.

Maddox's concerns would make sense to Monroe County Sheriff Bob Peryam, who couldn't account for the high number of concealed carry permits in the Keys off the top of his head, but he offered a guess.

"I don't really know, but I think there's a good size of the population here in the Keys that travels a lot and that may account for those numbers, but I'm just speculating," Peryam said. "There's certainly no indication that I can find to suggest this impacts crime statistics one way or another."

Nor has the number of concealed carry permits had much impact on deputies in the field, the sheriff said.

"We stress officer safety at all times, regardless of how many concealed carry permits are issued," Peryam said. "Law enforcement officers need to be paying attention at all times, regardless."

At Real Deal Jewelry & Pawn, owner Sean Condella was going over the most popular guns he sells to concealed carry holders. They are mostly the small .380- and .38-caliber variety that can fit in most men's clothes pockets or women's purses.

Condella, his parents and his wife are all concealed carry holders, he said. Operating a pawn shop can sometimes lure unsavory elements and burglars.

"I carry for the safety of myself, my family and my business," said Condella, who also owns the Big Coppitt Gun Club. "In my opinion it doesn't have an impact on crime. Concealed carry holders have to go through all the background checks and everything else that comes with that."

Condella added that concealed carry holders tend to be people more educated about the law, more aware of their surroundings and more law-abiding people in general. He was not surprised to learn that the Keys are second in the state for per capita permit holders.

"I would say on a weekly basis, I get 20 to 30 people in here asking about basic shooter classes at the range and other courses on guns, including concealed carry," Condella said.

One of McGee's students, Rob Kessler, said he was interested in obtaining a concealed carry permit to protect his Second Amendment right, which states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

"I want to have one if they ever decide to do away with them (concealed carry permits) and I want to exercise my right to exercise the privilege," Kessler said.

McGee also emphasized the difference between rights and privileges.

"There's a lot of nationwide politics and trends at play," McGee said. "Civil liability is one of the biggest things I really try to drive home with people. Just like driving is a privilege, so is this. Owning a gun is a right. Carrying one is a privilege. Once you launch a bullet down range and hit the wrong thing or person, what then? Well, everyone needs to be educated on the real-life criminal and civil implications. And that's what I do here."

alinhardt@keysnews.com

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Two guys get in a fight.

Two guys get in a fight. One guy is losing so he pulls and shoots the other guy.

Man walks into a bar...

... Shoots everybody!

Good For Us

Some people want you to think that people carrying guns does not lower crime rates, but it is just common sense. When you are driving south on US 1 coming off the Bahia Honda Bridge, you slow down, right? All the people I see with Monroe license plates do. Why? Because there is a small chance of a cop sitting there. You modify your behavior to lower the risk of a $100 ticket. Doesn't it make sense that a criminal will do the same when there is a one in 14 chance of getting his a** shot off? All of us that carry help protect society. You're welcome!

No effect on criminals

The people that commit crimes really don't care if you carry a gun or not. If they think you do they'll just make sure they have one of their own. If the theory that more carry permits in the Keys lowered crime then crime would be lower. A lot of $100 tickets are given out to people speeding through the speed traps on US1. I'm more afraid of being shot by someone with a carry permit accidentally than a criminal on purpose. However I do support your right to own a gun.

crime is lower not only in

crime is lower not only in the keys, but across the state. thanks in part to those of us that carry concealed firearms. criminals do think twice about whether to rob somebody because many of us now carry guns... you need to check facts before spewing nonsense.

Crime is lower!

Go to http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/FSAC/Data---Statistics-(1)/UCR-Offense-Data/UCR-Offense-Data.aspx These are the state crime figures for the last 40 years. The carry law passed in 1987. In that time the population of Florida has increased from 12 to 18.9 million but the total number of crimes has decreased from 1.02 to 0.77 million. The crimes per thousand has more than halved from 8.5 to 4.1! Certainly a lot of things besides CCW contribute - community policing, three strikes law, mandatory sentencing - but the fact remains your risk of being a victim of crime is less than half of what it was before Florida passed its concealed carry law.

Your logic escapes me

So...the boat "highjackers" (man I missed some crime reports!!) will know that the captain is packing heat? So these illusive boat jackers are also clairvoyant.

Not clairvoyance, just self-interest

It isn't that the hijackers know who carries the gun, it is that the number that carry becomes high enough to be a deterrent. It is illegal to speed everywhere on US, yet the local will go 75 MPH on the Bahia Honda Bridge where the risk of being caught is low but slow to 60 at the end where the risk is higher. In that one area the risk (known only to those with local knowledge of the speed trap) of losing $100 is high enough to become a deterrent. If there were 100 cops patrolling US 1 day and night would you ever speed?
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