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Size matters when talking ship safety
Study of Cut B discussed during meeting next month

White tines of lightning flashed above distant dark seas in the pre-dawn, as Key West Bar Pilot Alex Gonzalez stepped from the gunwale of a 40-foot pilot vessel into a side port on the cruise ship Majesty of the Seas. Within minutes the pilot was at the bridge of the giant vessel, giving the orders that would carry it safely to Key West Harbor and the dock that fronts the Westin Hotel.

It is a task that Gonzalez and other pilots have performed with less frequency in recent years as cruise ship companies reduce their port calls to the island city, sometimes for economic reasons and at other times to avoid the narrow 1-mile channel segment referred to as Cut B, which cruise ship proponents say must be widened by 150 feet to enhance vessel safety and keep Key West a cruise ship destination.

The Key West Chamber of Commerce was scheduled to make a presentation to the City Commission this week, outlining potential losses to the city as the number of cruise ship calls dwindle, a scenario the chamber holds as a foregone conclusion.

The presentation was postponed and is expected to be on the agenda Oct. 17 at a special City Commission workshop during which various voices from the public will be heard. The environmental organization Last Stand, which opposes the channel widening, will make its own presentation there.

The change in dates occurred because at least two commissioners -- Tony Yaniz was one of them -- approached City Manager Bob Vitas and said the presentation should not be made on a night when they were grappling with city budget matters. And one side of the story, Yaniz said, should not be all that is presented.

"I didn't want it to be the chamber's presentation," Yaniz said. "I want it to be a presentation by as many sides as possible."

Vitas relented and the change was made.

At issue for now is not whether the channel should be widened from 300 to 450 feet, but whether the Army Corps of Engineers should be commissioned to a do a $3 million study on the feasibility of such a project. The study, according to the chamber, would take three years to complete. There would be three tiers of review: socioeconomic, environmental and financial issues.

Half the bill, according to chamber Executive Vice President Virginia Panico, would be paid for by the federal government, 25 percent by private industry and 25 percent by the state of Florida.

But the city is needed to sign off on a request to the corps.

Panico expects the presentation to foster spirited discussion.

"Debate is good," Panico said. "We have always said this is information and education, not propaganda. All the presentations we have done were to make sure everybody has the correct information to make an informed decision. And that is the point of the study. If the study comes back and says this is not going to be the best thing, we've got our answer and it is done."

The hard numbers tell part of the story from the chamber's point of view. Nearly a half-million dollars was lost last year because cruise ships -- being fewer in number -- paid less to the city in disembarkation fees. That's the money the city charges per passenger, per ship, to make up for the costs of law enforcement, fire protection and road maintenance necessitated by the almost daily additions to Key West's population by the ships.

Businesses such as gift and T-shirt shops, especially those near the areas where the ships dock, are sure to be losing money with a decrease in passengers. But there are other businesses whose owners say could face economic ruin if the channel is widened.

"The impact for me would be immediate and crippling," said Nathaniel Linville, who sells fly-fishing related clothing and equipment at The Angling Company on Simonton Street. "You would tear a huge swath through the middle of a migratory lane, for hundreds of thousands of fish weighing 100 pounds or more each. There are two or three months when an incredibly large biomass is concentrated in that area. When you cut a hole in the middle of that it doesn't do any good for the natural world."

He said widening the channel would be "like putting water in a nice bottle of wine so that you can invite more people to the party."

Flats fishermen who bring tourists on charter trips say enough damage has been done to the sensitive environment of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary through dredging. Further damage would result in more dispersal of sediment, affecting fish populations.

"They dredged the channel in 1969 and re-dredged in 2004 or 2005," said flats fisherman and guide Kevin O'Hearn. "A lot of the fishing that happened in that area and elsewhere after that didn't happen anymore."

O'Hearn said if the study is done, there will be too much of an open door.

"The study just seems to me like the end run so the city can say we have already spent some money on this," O'Hearn said. "We're already in deep, so let's go ahead and dredge."

Fishermen also want to know where spoil from such a dredging would go.

The corps already weighed in with one report, delivered in 2010, which indicated "significant federal interest for national economic development in pursuing channel improvements."

"The report also noted significant environmental and legal challenges that would have to be overcome prior to any improvements being undertaken," former City Manager Jim Scholl told commissioners in a 2011 report, which summarized the issue as the city dealing with a cruise industry "replacing their older, smaller vessels with larger ships that are constrained by the width of the channel and unable to safely, consistently call in Key West."

Royal Caribbean, the report states, once represented almost half the ships calling in Key West.

"As their newer ships came on line that has dropped to 18 percent and is expected to drop further when the Majesty of the Seas is retired in several years," the 2011 report states. "Other lines such as Carnival, Disney, and Norwegian are also introducing new ships which are larger than the ships that currently call in Key West."

A public workshop was held in July 2011, similar to the workshop scheduled for October. Forty-one people spoke or sent written comments -- 21 for the channel widening, 14 against and six non-committed.

At that time the price of the study was estimated at $5 million, but the projected cost went down due to new procedures at the corps.

The problem channel-widening is intended to mitigate cannot be seen from the surface of the Atlantic Ocean as the ships progress toward the harbor. There, all that is visible as the sun comes up are emerald-green waters, some of them straying to Fort Zachary Taylor, where waves gently lap on the beach.

What occurs with the channel is below the surface, traced by the lines of a depth-finder at the pilot boat's cockpit.

The channel area that would be dredged most likely would extend to the right of where the vessels now transit, the bar pilots say.

A corps spokesman was unable to shed light on the feasibility study process, although a ranking staffer who works with studies said that generally the corps does the work itself, bringing in experts when issues require special handling, or if the work flow is too heavy for staff.

Opponents of the study say they don't trust the process.

"They have no reason to consider the environmental impact of the decision," said Linville of The Angling Company. "Given every economic indicator that I have seen, how do we try to solve our problems by dredging the channel and bringing larger cruise ships in here? It seems to me a little shortsighted."

But if the study is merely a way of obtaining information, as Panico states, then why should opponents of channel-widening oppose the study?

"There is a potential for an increased tolerance of environmental impact," said Linville. "It is geared to a specific type of business."

There is some good news on the horizon for people who wish to see Key West host cruise ships. Royal Caribbean confirmed Friday that its 965-foot Serenade of the Seas will begin making runs in the winter from New Orleans to the Bahamas, and one of the ports of call is Key West.

jdesantis@keysnews.com

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Funny

It's funny that I responded with a different point of view than these other 15 commenters, and my comment was quickly removed. I guess one cannot express a different point of view without censorship.

The letter to the editor in

The letter to the editor in today's paper should be a wake up to everyone. i assume the letter is correct or The Citizen should have clarified the facts. If this info is true, then I am shocked at the inaccurate information being put out by the Chamber and Cruise Ship industry about passenger counts being down. Where is The Citizen on this? They have published the same false information! I know the Editor reads these comments. Is the content of the letter wrong, or have your articles been wrong? Will you publish a retraction so we all know the story of fewer cruise ship passengers is a big lie? Is Rossi a liar when he blames out tax shortfall on " fewer passengers" or were the letter writers facts wrong? I hope The Citizen takes its role seriously and researches what was incorrect and prints the accurate facts.

Numbers and Letter to the Editor

Why are you attacking the Citizen? The numbers the Chamber reported are correct. The writer of the letter to the editor also presented correct numbers; he just chose to present numbers based on a fiscal year to try to prove his point. The Chamber's numbers are presented on a calendar year as they always have been. No one is presenting inaccurate information; thus, you need not be "shocked". The Citizen does not need to print a retraction. There is no "big lie" involving the decline in cruise ship passengers. If you look over the long term, you will note a decided downward trend in the number of cruise ship passengers. Nor did Rossi lie about the shortfall resulting from fewer passengers. There are fewer projected passengers for the city's upcoming fiscal year and that will result in $418,000 fewer dollars to the city. That is what budgeting is all about -- projections. Instead of spouting off about things, you may want to take the time to research the numbers yourself. The City's budget is online as are the Chamber's financials.

I don't think

I don't think asking The Citizen to clarify facts is attacking them. If the facts were clearly understood, such as what percent of our economy really is impacted, what is the real gain to the city coffers after costs of ships, and declining per passenger spend, people would be totally against these floating sewers. These ships have a relatively small contribution to our economy with the majority of the benefit going to a few businesses. Meanwhile the impact from the ships are huge. Clogged streets, dead reefs, poorer fishing, so many Jet Skis you can no longer kayak or swim off shore, low end touts, and the list goes on. People spin statistics to prove their point, but the facts are the fact. The Citizen once published that these ships represent 7 percent of our economy. Shouldn't we spend our tie and money worrying about the other 93 percent?

Also, Scroll All The Way Down This Link To Bed Taxes

Notice that bed taxes have increased year over year since 2005. That's eight straight years of bed taxes increasing. Now look at last year's 2011 bed taxes. $13,557,117. That was an increase of 18.2% over 2010. And the bed taxes in 2010 of $11,472,341 represented an increase of 22.4% over 2009, and so on all the way back to 2005 - the year of the beginning of America's Housing Crash.

http://www.keywestchamber.org/PDF/trends.PDF

Bed taxes are increasing rapidly with quality visitors who spend more time and $$$ in our town. These are more valuable visitors who want to see a sunset at Mallory Square unimpeded by giant cruise ships dumping ashe and soot into the air while blocking the view.

Just read the statistics and draw your own conclusions. Airport numbers are up. Bed taxes are up. And even cruise ship numbers are up this year. And yet, even bigger cruise ships are killing our environment, (don't forget the turgidity issues caused by their props along with the disposal of waste water 3 miles off shore added to the smoke stacks) hurting Sunset Celebration, and only benefiting certain businesses, such as the Conch Trains which supply transportation for gigantic Americans too fat to walk into town themselves.

Somebody on the City Commission is not looking at this data and drawing the right conclusions. We don't need no stinkin' cruise ships which are as large as a New York skyscraper and which have built in filthy generation and sewage plants on board which can supply electricity and shower/toilet water to a small city.

Everytime one of these giant boats dock, we've added a diesel fume belching plant to our shore. Put 3 of them down there, and go count the smoke stacks raining black soot in old town on days the wind blows inward.

I once went down there and counted 3 boats docked, 8 smoke stacks working overtime blowing crap all over Fort Zach, Old Town, the inland waters, etc., and, no sunset celebration unless you went all the way over to the Ocean Key House and watched it from their over-crowded pier.

Here You Go 666, Passenger Counts Up This Year By 5.7%

Interestingly enough, these numbers were obtained from the Chamber of Commerce website:

http://www.keywestchamber.org/PDF/trends.PDF

Thanks

Thank you for sharing this. There are very powerful business interests behind the Cruise Ship push. I hope everyone who cares about having a livable island, crowded, but not overwhelmed, and healthy near shore waters, attends the upcoming commission meeting. I can assure you the pro cruise ship mafia will be there in force.

Amen, $3 million for a study is infuriating.

Can't the local college FKCC Marine and economics classes conduct the study for like 1/2 a million?

The Citizen is in full force promo mode

Another DeSantis article full of one sided facts and scare tactics. What's next? A guest column from Belland or Swift? People, any idiot who goes downtown or looks at occupancy numbers knows we no longer need these ships. This is not the 1980s. We have no slow season and people from all over the world come here and know of a key West. Half of our Main Street is full of touts and tacky crap to cater to these passengers. It is time to decide on what the future looks like here. Actually the people already decided and 5/6 commissioners voted to go away. How much more will it take?

Like You Said, Only One Commissioner For This

If more than 90% of the citizens are against this widening, and five of six commissioners are against this widening, how is it we're even having this discussion about studies and widening the channel? Why don't the commissioners tell Rossi to just stop his mad quest to bring this widening to fruition for his pals in the cruise chip industry?

As it is now, there are days where we can't see the sunset from Mallory Square with normal sized cruise ships sitting their, belching their noxious fumes from their boilers. Bring in the bigger cruise ships and we will not be able to see the sky.

Always reactive, never proactive...

The bigger the ship, the less money they spend on shore. Everything is on the ship. Their impact is greater and their contribution is less. Why keep spending more to chase a shrinking dollar, when the benefit has never begun to match the true cash outlay.

No, Messrs. Swift, Dolan Heitlinger and Wells -- "You DIDN'T build that!" The multi-million dollar renovation of Mallory and pump-out was paid for by the taxpayers of Key West. The $ million bricking of Wall St. was turned over to you for free. We gave you the street, after eliminating the curbs, so you could pull your trolleys and trains all over the place

There will be a renewed demand for smaller ships when Cuba opens. The economics of offering cruises that include foreign "exotic" destinations - within hours of travel at lower speeds - will be irresistable and the fuel savings immense. The travelers will be more adventurous, younger and more fit.

Let's approach this with a little vision... and let's get the passenger count down to about 600,000, where it was before the travel media stuck us with the "Getting Ugly" label.

Could we give Virginia more coverage??

"Tines of lightning"? "Stepping from the gunwale"? Hey, John, it's a newspaper, not Moby Dick-- Who, What, When, Where, Why.

Like why did Mr. Vitas, our new city manager, feel that this item ever merited a special commission presentation in the first place? I suppose that Panico threatened him with tines of lightning up his rear if he ignored her orders.

Mr. Vitas, you're off on a bad foot if you're going to push this widening business. Didn't anyone on "staff" tell you that this was the nail in Jim Scholl's coffin? And he wasn't even spending any time at the Red Garter-- ahem.

This issue is dead. It was killed by the citizens of Key West who are tired of Virginia and her myopic vision of a Key West overflowing with trailer trash, and by the city commission, whose members voted five to one to bury it.

This attempt to wear commissioners down is destined to fail, as well. Rossi and duh mayor don't have as much power as they think they do. Rossi's already being investigated for his close ties to the cruise ship industry and that Glynn Archer business is, sooner or later, going to blow up in Cates' face. It would be wise of them both to throw Virginia off the edge of the city gunwales!

?? This article really has nothing to do with ship safety

Mr. DeSantis, you either need to stay on topic or you need to break this into several articles.

The title "Size matters when talking ship safety" is really only addressed in what? The second paragraph?

OK, then do the study, and

OK, then do the study, and find out there may be a glitch. At least 3 years will bide time and maybe by then the mega ships wont run as much since the fuel has risen quite a bit.

Flies and pegging the hypocrisy meter

I blinked hard in disbelief when I read the comment that: "But if the study is merely a way of obtaining information, as Panico states, then why should opponents of channel-widening oppose the study?" It's like spending $3 million dollars of someone else's money to study how does one pull up his fly without damage -- even a 5-year old knows the answer. Such a study is needed about as much as an anvil in a parachute. To act as if that the marine environment truly matters -- when the truth is that it is the impediment to big money for a select few -- pegs the hypocrisy meter. And the gasconade that hired guns of consulting companies would be objective -- they know on which side their bread is buttered.

well said

We don't need no stinking study!!

Just Say No

The overwhelming majority of Keys residents do not want the study or the larger cruiseships. The chamber and a very small percentage of its business members want to shove their agenda down our throats. Stop the madness. Take the steering wheel out of Virginia's hands. Peel her greedy grip off of the throttle too. She's revving the tourism engine way beyond the redline. If this matter were to be placed on a ballot for the citizens to vote on it would be a lopsided and thundering "no".

3 Mil???

I'll do that study for $3000. 3 million $ is absurd. Talk to the Harbor Pilot, Coast Guard, a few charter boat fishermen, sail boat captains, maybe a bartender and a retail clerk. I'll kayak the channel with a snorkeler and a diver. 3 mil, you all should be fired, all the way up

I'll dive for your study

show you where all the sand from Ft Zach goes, and prove that half of the harbor is dead from cruise ship turbulance. The silt goes all the way to fleming bridge and up to demolition key. Cruise ships are killing our inshore waters and have severely damaged fish populations, from tarpon to lobsters.
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