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Thursday, December 20, 2012
Chief: Ban assault weapons
'We must start somewhere,' Lee tells city

The nation needs to ban assault rifles and high-capacity magazines as a response to last week's school massacre in Newtown, Conn., of first-graders and their teachers, Key West Police Chief Donie Lee said Wednesday.

Lee asked the Key West City Commission to approve resolutions urging Congress to install the bans and require background checks and safety training on all fir...

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People who call for a gun ban...

...often live in areas where they seem to think dialing 911 will give them instant protection, until they have a situation occur that proves that theory fatally flawed. When a criminal cases a potential target or a lunatic decides to vent their rage into physical action, they evaluate the chances of success and the threat of being stopped before successfully fulfilling their mission, thus they often pick weak targets over strong ones. What the anti-gun weaklings propose is to dis-arm this nation in steps, but they never consider what would happen if the millions of illegal aliens that manage to sneak into this country annually decide to take up arms and acquire by force what they can't already get by manipulating our system. The only thing holding everything together is the state of the economy, the belief still is if you play the system it will reward you, but what if that system fails? What if our government loses control? What if we segment ourselves along ethnic groups and wage war for resources to survive? Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. A school teacher mom and kids are dead because she didn't learn how to properly secure her weapons, this was a error in judgement or training, much like the military doctor that went nuts and killed several of his own troop members. The military took steps to minimize such actions from being able to occur so easily again, makes no sense to disarm our nation and the military certainly didn't because the greater good is what they need to focus their attention on, loose that focus and we are doomed like history teaches us.

Give Up your guns

Anyone who does not want to own a gun can give them up anytime they want. As for me, I'll just hang on to my weaponry. Making anything illegal just forces the items to be sought on the black market. Hard drugs have been banned for years but you can buy them anywhere, in any town, at any time of day or night.

Thank the NRA for Loose Gun Purchases

Donnie Lee is a good, good man. Backing up his thoughts, here are three paragraphs from the Fortune Magazine investigative piece which explains how Fast and Furious was not a diabolical plan by the ATF to run guns into Mexico. In fact, the ATF's hands are tied by stupid laws written by NRA lobbyists and passed by compliant Congressmen and state legislators who take gobs of NRA money.

Keep in mind many Republicans are now turning against the NRA, such as Mayor Mike Bloomberg of NYC. If you want to know how easy it really is to buy semi-automatic weapons in great quantities in certain states, read this:

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/...

Voth's mandate was to stop gun traffickers in Arizona, the state ranked by the gun-control advocacy group Legal Community Against Violence as having the nation's "weakest gun violence prevention laws." Just 200 miles from Mexico, which prohibits gun sales, the Phoenix area is home to 853 federally licensed firearms dealers. Billboards advertise volume discounts for multiple purchases.

Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they're 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich."

By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.

Bloomberg

Bloomberg is not a Republican. He turned independent and was not even a real Republican when he was elected. He rode in on the coattails of Giuliani. And the rest of your comment is just moronic.

He's Not The Only Republican Calling For Sane Gun Laws

Educate yourself. Read. Learn.

If guns are outlawed......

Remember one thing: Just look at Prohibition. That...didn't work...and "the bad guys" ....loved it! "If guns are outlawed......ONLY OUTLAWS....will still have guns." Don't forget it.

No One Is Saying Outlaw Guns

We are saying there has to be background checks on buyers in all situations, including gun shows and armslist.com. We're also saying bring back the AR-15 assault weapons ban and do away with the Tiahrt Amendments which make it harder for law enforcment to track down violent criminals possessing illegal weaponry.

Glad I am not

the only one who sees the real issue here. The issue is not the weapon. Every mass shooting that has been commited in this Great Country of ours has been committed by a mentally ill/unstable person. This nut took his Mother's legally purchased, owned weapons and committed a crime. We need better regulation, assistance and service for those folks. Man, if this nut had beat these poor kids with a rock, would we banning those? And the media??? All they care about is ratings and pandering to the mob. They have created an uproar. Walk into any gun shop or pawn shop in this country,and see for yourself. The weapons are flying off of the shelves. Who holds the media responsible??? We've armed pilots, why not look at arming certain teachers? I now 25+ years ago when I was at Mary Immaculate then KWHS, we had a few retired cops and quite a few military veterans as teachers. I'm pretty confident they could have handled themselves. People are refusing to pay a little more in taxes to improve the quality of thier teachers, I am pretty sure no one will want to raise taxes to better equip and train Police officers to to protect schools or enforce any new gun laws. We need to revamp the involuntary commitment laws for mentally unstable people.

We need to revamp the

We need to revamp the involuntary commitment laws for mentally unstable people. ............like Muslims, right? Mormons too! That's a "crazy" bunch of folks. Anyone who disagrees should be committed.

Gun Control

The NRA likes to say "Guns Don't Kill People. People Kill People." What they neglect to mention is that guns make it really, really easy for people to kill people. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my experience that the less easy something is to do, the less likely people are to do it.....

Cars kill

as well. Shall we ban them too?

Ya. Like the availability of POT!

You're right. Legalizing POT will make it WAY too easy to do. We better keep it illegal.

violence is the last resort of a limited mind

Limited and damaged minds seek solutions through violence; it is up to the rest of us to work toward a day when they will only be able to inflict damage with their fists. Chief Lee has it right; we must begin somewhere, let's start with our street, our town, our county, our state, our country... contact your leaders and let your feelings be known. Make a difference today... please.

stupid chief!

sure Donie, let's ban assualt rifles rather than address the real problem of the mentally ill people roaming freely among us that commit these acts like murdering 20 children for no good reason or set themselves on fire because they can't get the pill. do we ban gasoline, gas cans, lighters, and matches now too? real smart there chief!!!

The Real Problem!

Drinking and driving causes over 25,000 deaths a year in the United States alone. Overall 100,000 deaths occur each year in America due to the effects of alcohol according to the NHTSA web site. How can alcohol be blamed for 100,000 deaths each year? 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol. 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol. 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol. 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol. 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol. 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol. 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol. 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol. A person is more likely to die from a coconut falling from your Old Town neighbor’s tree than being a victim of a school shooting. Note to Chief Lee: The real scourge of society flows freely right in our own backyard. Surely you have witnessed, both professionally and personally the devastating consequences of this great beguilement aka booze! By the way the number of deaths directly related to marijuana usage: Zero! One day we will look back with horror and regret the way our criminal justice system has ruined lives of millions via our archaic and antiquated marijuana laws. Thankfully other states are now beginning to smell the coffee. I hope one day Florida will see that it was not marijuana or even a very random school shootings that ravaged society so pervasively and destructively. It was alcohol. Accessible, glamorized and legal!

Wait...

"Assault weapons" are next-to-impossible to get now. They require a 2-yr federal background check, and a $200 tax stamp. Oh, he means guns that LOOK like assault weapons. Nice try. He has a point about high capacity magazines, but calling for a ban for a gun that shoots once every time you pull the trigger is kinda ridiculous.

NRA

Stop the NRA before it kills AGAIN.

You're an Idiot

Put down the Kool-Aid.

Going about it all wrong

A assault weapons ban is going to leave our country vulnerable to a mass invasion by a large enemy force, not to mention criminals would carry them and traffic in them much like they do drugs. A better solution is more well rounded approach, secure the schools and other locations where large amounts of particularly vulnerable people are, require more training and education in the safe handling and securing of such weapons. Invite people to talk about their gun ownership and correct any errors in judgement they might have made. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. There are other methods to kill the helpless and the loonies would just switch tactics.

I hope I'm not your neighbor !

There are nutjobs all around us! They aren't taking away your assalt weapons, just limiting the number of clips! I don't want our teachers carrying weapons! You are insane! More guns lead to more bloodshed!

Sure, secure all those vulnerable locations!

Sounds as cozy as living in a war zone.

BAN BAN BAN

Chief what part of the second amendment's 'shall not be infringed' do you not understand? The stupidity of the theme that the 'look' of a rifle makes it an 'assualt weapon' or not is ridiculous. By that theme all guns of any sort be it pistol or shotgun can be considered 'assualt weapons' since it is all in the subjective eyes of the beholder. You would do yourself a favor to stop spewing the gun grabbing political bs eminating from that glorious bastion of freedom and liberty called washington dc and remember the oath of office you took to uphold the Constitution of this once great nation. The foolisness of calling on the city to pass such a resolution shows your contempt for the 2nd amendment and i sure hope the city and county ignores your 'political posturing'. If you wished to do something constructive then lets 'BAN' gun free zones and enable teachers and staff to carry on school grounds for the protection of our children against such tragedy as occured in conn. instead of making our schools free for all shooting galleries for the mass killer mentality. As for the high capacity mags an equally ludicrous idea since it takes but a second to load a mag so a shooter instead of reloading twice in a 15 mag will reload 3 times in a 10 mag and the 30 shells will make no differance at all unless one counts a fraction of a second as anything meaningfull and if so i have a great bridge to sell you.

Really. You want teachers to carry loaded guns into the class?

Remember the recent Sikh Temple murders? Remember the one cop with a gun who went up against a murderer who used a semi-automatic rifle? The cop lost his life. Now you want teachers to carry a loaded gun to school, put the gun in a locked desk, and then when a man wearing body armor comes into the classroom shooting, she's supposed to have the presence of mind to unlock the desk and take on a guy whose armor and semi-automatic gives him, oh, just a tiny edge?

America has 5% of the world's population, but we own 50% of the world's weapons. Notice anything asymmetrical about that? Ever stop to think why this country might have more homicical maniacs with semi-automatics and magazines which can carry hundreds of rounds? It's because we have more guns!

I own a gun. I don't fear someone is coming after me to "take away my gun". The 2nd Amendment gives me the right to own arms. But the men writing our Constitution and earliest Amendments never in their wildest dreams imagined weapons which would allow a shooter to kill so quickly and so many people at one time. Back then, you loaded a mini-ball with powder, a wick or firing cap, and took one shot.

Let me ask you, Big Man, why is it so many gun nuts collect so many guns if they can't all have their triggers pulled at one time by the owner? Why the need to have an arsenal of guns in your home which could outfit an entire platoon of people? And why is it that out of all the guns a homicidal gun nut owns, the choice of weapon is a semi-automatic which does the most damage in a rampage? How come they don't leave the semi-automatic assault weapon in the car and simply carry a small 22 pistol into the school to rampage? You know, carry a box of bullets. Shoot, reload, shoot, reload, shoot, reload. I'll tell you why. The want maximum pain in minimum time. A 22 ain't gonna do it. The assault weapon will.

Jet Stream, obviously you don't understand guns

Caliber is not the issue, ,more assasinations occour with a 22 than any other caliber. To convert a 22 into an assault weapon takes very little time.You are Confusing caliber with fire rate selection. Regardless of the caliber , most guns can be converted to a higher rate of fire. You seem to think it is the gun, it's not ; it's the person behind it.

There is a difference between a .22lr bullet and a .223 caliber

You seem confused about the bullets and weapons which shoot them.

A regular .22 pistol or rifle (good for shooting rabbits, squirrels, opossum, etc.) with .22lr bullets won't even go through a steel pipe. An AR 15 (or Bushmaster replica) using the same caliber bullet will pierce steel pipes. And because the ammo for an assault weapon packs more velocity, it is also better for shooting at targets at long distances.

Next, the .223 bullets used in the killings of school children up in Newton were found to be of the variety which expand upon entry and tear out more of organs and tissue. We haven't even begun to outlaw such a bullet in the USA because the NRA will squeal like little girls.

Also, the weapon of choice at Newton, a Bushmaster .223 assault weapon, was the weapon of choice in this week's Webster, NY fire/first responder murders when a convicted felon (he'd killed his grandmother with a hammer 30 years ago)used the exact same weapon and ammunition to kill two firemen and injure two others. This killer hid behind a berm and took his shots from long distance. Seven homes were burned to the ground. The same killer murdered his sister and then took his own life.

In Newton, Adam Lanza's aresenal is being tallied. Today it was reported he had hundreds of rounds he never used in his Bushmaster found at the school along with numerous magazines dozens of rounds each.

To which I must ask any sane adult: what is the purpose of an assault weapon which can be outfitted with a magazine holding 100 or more rounds or even just 30 rounds?

No one is suggesting we take away weapons. We are saying we need stricter gun laws which allow the authorities to contact a national database showing who owns what and who has criminal or mental issues. And ban assault weapons which allow one shooter to kill so many people in minimum time. There's no need to own a weapon of war which is outfitted with a magazine holding 30 or 100 bullets.

You've obviously been watch WAY too much of the

"Walking Dead". God help our children!

Ban guns ?

Why ? They are easy to get, they are in the police cars , easily accessable apparently. Easy enough for a teenager at least. Admiral Yamamoto in WWll summed it up in one statement . "Japan could never invade America, there would be a gun behind every bush." Private ownership of guns is what has kept this country free. Ban guns , the deranged will use a bow ,or a spear, or an explosive, banning an object won't stop destructive actions.

Priorities

Lee should spend more time on his inept police force than lobbying for a gun ban.

Chief Donne Lee's Predictable and Shallow Response to the...

.....Sandy Hook tragedy demonstrates his unwillingness and inability to process this incident with depth, clarity, veracity and courage. Mr. Lee's knee-jerk mantras embody the reasons why we have been unable to concentrate and focus upon the real causes of violence in America. Chief Lee and other politicos appear to be willing to use the tragic deaths of these children to advance their own political ideology. Because of their disingenuous positions, nothing has been done to address and re-direct the violent consciousness that has taken hold of our nation. It appears that Donnie Lee and his ilk would rather capture politically correct headlines, than actually face and speak the truth on the reasons why we have continued on this horrific violent path. Apparently, Lee's indoctrinated understanding and biases preclude him from making such an assessment. Mr. Lee's emotional appeal to "Start Somewhere", indicates that 'He Does Not Know Where To Begin'. His helter-skelter understanding and thinking on this very serious matter; is indicative that Mr. Lee lacks perspective and maturity, when it comes to an issue requiring objectivity, detailed analysis and analytical reasoning. Hopefully the County and City Commissions will not be duped by the duplicity of Mr. Lee's rhetoric...

Solutions

For those that oppose a ban on assasult weapons, please provide your solution. I think a ban is a good place to begin but I'm willing to hear better options if they exist.

Let's begin by taking them away....from the Sheriffs.

If the Chief feels that assault weapons are so dangerous.....the very first ones to lose them....should be the Sheriff's Department. This guy Fricke leaving assault weapons and ammunition in his cruiser......for the weekend...out in the middle of nowhere on Big Pine.....didn't exactly "set a good example" now...did it? Sad as it is.....this kid was a nut case. The news yesterday clearly stated that even the Mom....was attempting to "place" him in a facility...."and was afraid of him". Can you say: HELLO!!!!! WARNING SIGNS!!!!! GET SOME PROFESSIONAL HELP RIGHT AWAY HONEY!!!!!! HELLO!!!!!! But....she didn't . Why..on earth....did this woman feel that she needed an "assault weapon" with 30 shot clips....as well as 2 different brands of 9 MM. handguns......and tons of ammunition........in her big, beautiful home up there in "happy valley" where everyone loved everyone? ANSWER: SHE DIDN'T. She.....thought that it was cool. No other reason. The blame for this tragedy.....sits squarely in this woman's lap. She....either left these weapons laying around the house....unsecured.....with a nut case kid living there.....or....she let the nut case kid know where the keys were to the locks. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. The guns....can't shoot themselves. Sorry Chief.

Right. Take Away Assault Weapons From The Sheriffs.

But leave them in the hands of mentally deranged people who can buy one at gun shows all over America? Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Tell that to the underarmed cop who lost his life at the Sikh Temple shooting.

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