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Wednesday, December 26, 2012
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Gun ban fears fuel purchases

FLORIDA KEYS -- Guns were rushing off the shelves the week before Christmas, but more notably it was the week after the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.

On the morning of Dec. 14, a 20-year-old man broke into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. and shot 20 young students and six adults with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle before shooting himself.

Just 60 miles north of Manhattan, the town was instantly inundated with national and international media covering every angle of the crisis. Hours after the shooting, a debate on gun control ensued.

Across the nation, politicians and pundits decried the nation's easy access to military-style semi-automatic weapons and pressured lawmakers to take action. This alone has led to a high increase in gun sales across the nation, including right here in the Florida Keys.

"We're 10 times busier than we normally are," said Thomas Kiffney, owner of Kiffney's Firearms Indoor Range at mile marker 106, bayside.

Kiffney, who is also a sergeant with the Monroe County Sheriff's Office, said last Friday he had sold 50 to 60 semi-automatic rifles in a week as a result of gun ban rumors. Normally, he sells two or three assault-style rifles a month. He said he always expects sales to pick up before Christmas, but not as much as he's seen since Dec. 14.

Last week, Kiffney's website was promoting $875.95 DPMS AR-15 rifles. AR-15s are a modified civilian version of the military's M-16. The assailant in the Newtown shooting used a Bushmaster brand .223 AR-15.

In Homestead, Javier Alonso, manager of American Armory, said he has had to order more assault-style rifles following the Newtown massacre.

"Any time there are talks about gun control, we get busy," Alonso said.

At Newman's Outfitters in Big Pine Key, a person answering the phone said his gun sales were up 25 percent.

"That's all I've got to say," he said before hanging up and declining to elaborate.

Newspaper reports on the mainland say other South Florida gun shops are seeing a similar uptick in sales.

As to some gun stores including Dick's Sporting Goods pulling their semi-automatic rifles from their shelves in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, Kiffney dismissed that as a business tactic larger merchants use to force prices up before again offering them for sale.

"I won't do that," he said. "If I have it, then I'll sell it."

At Kiffney's store, a sign stated that wholesalers have been working around the clock in the last week to meet the demands of gun buyers.

Meanwhile in Key West, the police chief asked the city commission to pass a resolution urging Congress to ban assault-style rifles.

Silent until one week after the Connecticut shooting, the National Rifle Association defended guns in a news conference last week.

Ignoring two hecklers at the news conference, Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's CEO and executive vice president, blamed the shooting on politicians who promote gun-free school zones, the media who cover shootings and the entertainment industry's portrayal of gun violence. To solve the problem, he said each school in America's needs armed security.

"There's only one thing that stops a bad guy with a gun and that's a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said

President Obama visited Newtown after the shooting and has vowed to take action on gun violence. He has tapped Vice President Biden to lead a task force to recommend immediate action. The president said he plans on speaking about the gun solution during his State of the Union address next month.

jgore@keysnews.com

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LIBERALISM EXPLAINED & GUN BAN ARGUMENT SOLVED!

LIBERALISM, WHERE ABORTING & KILLING 38 MILLION BABIES A YEAR AND FLUSHING THEIR DEAD, BLOODY, LIFELESS BODIES DOWN A TOILET IS A RIGHT & GUN OWNERSHIP IS NOT! LIBERALS love science (generally only when it proves their point) but instead of arguing "GUN CONTROL" let's do things my way......which happens to be the "Scientific Way." It's simple......instead of blaming "Guns" let us do a SCIENTIFIC STUDY and then base the legality of every persons right to bare arms on the study results. The study should follow the argument "BAN GUNS BECAUSE THEY KILL PEOPLE" the study should be a five year study and should be conducted as follows --> Place a " LOADED ASSAULT RIFLE" in an empty room on a table with 24/7 security cameras surrounding the table. If the "ASSAULT RIFLE" gets up off the table, walks out of the room and kills or even shoots at one single person or animal then we should without a doubt BAN ALL GUNS. If the "ASSAULT RIFLE" does not get up off the table, walk out of the room and shoot at or kill any person or animal then it will be SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that "GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE" and therefore no reason to OUTLAW them.

I don't think anyone flushes

I don't think anyone flushes dead babies down the toilet. Don't you know they save the bodies and use them for fertilizer at Obama's secret muslim socialist farm in Kenya! My guess is a tactical nuclear device would not get up off the table and kill anyone either. Lets make them legal so you can protect your freedom.

So

If Timothy McVeigh had no access to guns, all those people in OKC would still be alive today? Think again, and think bigger.

So if a nutcase did...

...beat 20 kids to death with his fists would you finally consider securing the schools or resort to chopping everyone's hands off?

Let Loose the Crazies

More guns, more guns, more guns!!! They are the answer to peace and less bloodshed in our country. MORE GUNS! Because, you know, if the Connecticut shooter (and countless others like him armed with MILITARY style weapons) didn't have a gun, he'd have beaten 20 people to death with his fists. Remember all you communist, America-hatin' "liberals", guns don't kill people...you know the rest of that tired cliche, right? I strongly suggest many of you out there in this forum turn off Fox Noise and go outside and get some fresh air. Enjoy the world outside. Make up your own mind instead of parroting the right-wing crazies out there. The 2nd Ammendment does not mean you can carry any damn weapon you want. It's not an absolute right. Quit hiding behind that lame excuse and get real. Time to make guns much, much harder to own. Period. Or, as Chris Rock suggested, make bullets $5000 each. Then maybe we'd settle some playground disputes the old fashioned way, with a fight. Instead of with one of the 270 million guns in this gun-crazy nation of ours.

Understanding the Second Amendment (and our rights)

The original intent of the United States Government was to protect the inalienable rights of the citizens from those who would try to restrict them or take them away. That is why they were called "natural rights" or "God-given rights" in the writings of John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, and Thomas Paine. It is from the political philosophy of men like these which was ingrained in the thinking of Thomas Jefferson the that the phrase "inalienable rights" found its way into our Declaration of Independence when he wrote it in 1776. The idea was simple. These rights must come from Nature or Nature's God because if they come from any government charter, then they can be withdrawn by that same government. But if they come from Nature's God and are natural, then government cannot take them away.

These natural rights fell into three distinct categories: Life, Liberty, and Property. Nobody has the right to take away your life, restrict your liberty, or take away what is yours. Government's role, therefore, was to protect the rights of the citizens. The ten amendments found in Bill of Rights put into writing the protections that would be given to the citizens to ensure that the government didn't violate those inalienable rights. If you read them carefully, you will find that they are all there to protect your life, liberty and property from abuse by the government.

When you really think about it, if the nation simply lived up to these ideals from day one there would never have been the need for a "Civil War", we would have a smaller and less intrusive government, we would have avoided most of the wars we have fought, the land would likely be far more prosperous, and the USA would be probably be enjoying a golden age. The amount of money and lives we have wasted on destructive pursuits can never be replaced. But we must make a course change if we are going to survive as a people. Government today is nothing near what its original purpose was meant to be. Instead of life, liberty, property, or the pursuit of happiness, we have become a society of death, enslavement, confiscation, and the pursuit of destruction.

Today the government has restricted our rights in certain areas, thus endangering us in those areas. People dead all over in the Sandy Hook Connecticut Elementary School and NOBODY was armed except the gunman. WHY? Because schools are weapons-free zones. Didn't the gunman know he wasn't allowed to bring a gun to school? Does anybody else see the insanity of this? So I must ask, when will the goofy disarmers, anti-gun fools UNDERSTAND that even if they disarm everyone, the CRIMINALS will still be armed? 27 dead and NOBODY was there to protect them because they were in a sitting duck zone.

Please lay aside your biases and think this through. Wouldn't you think this outcome would have been less deadly if a cop was there? Well, in a very real sense, every licensed concealed carry holder is like having a cop at these scenes. The only difference is that he is a volunteer and cops are paid. Dreams of a world without violence are just that--dreams. There are many reasons why we have this violence. Guns are not one of them. Switzerland is more armed than the USA (by law) and has very little gun violence. Look at mental health. Look at the Hipaa laws. Look at Hollywood. I suspect they will provide you with the real answer.

Although tragic...

Although tragic the recent shootings by nutcases are nowhere in proportion to what would occur if a armed hostile invasion occurred or roving bands of armed criminals took to the roads. Small land mass countries like Japan and England can get away with completely depending upon their military and/or police force, thus benefit from less domestic issues with firearms in the general population, but not so much for larger land mass countries like the United States. Anyone taking a road trip recently would certainly come to that conclusion that government protection can't be in all places at all times or arrive in time to be able to be effective. Despite the bad news of a few loose cannons on deck, the overall benefit of a armed population has been extremely beneficial to combat much larger threats we most likely are not aware are being considered, after all surprise is valuable a tactical procedure and the weak make easy targets. What hasn't been as effective is our attention to the human domestic element behind the hostile actions, safe guarding of vulnerable persons and weapons, etc. There are other items that can be used in a hostile manner, guns can be made and purchased on the black market. The gun genie for a long time has been out of the Pandora's Box and it can't be put magically back in, only managed. Each of these small scale incidents are lessons to be learned how to strengthen our domestic security and thus avoid the same actions being duplicated by thousands of trained terrorists should they find a means to get into this country illegally. What needs to be addressed is why people need to feel that their own destruction and/or mass murder is a viable option.

Totally absurd...

Your comment reeks of ignorance of the history of this nation and the basis for the constitutional protection of the right to keep and bear arms. I won't waste a lot of time refuting your screed point by point because I doubt you will get it. But keep this in mind, it is not the government that has the power to tell us what we can and cannot own. The Constitution was written as it was to give the people the supreme power in this nation, and limit the power of the government. I will not have my rights taken away because some nut case isn't capable of living up to the responsibilities that come along with his rights. I did not spend 10 years of my life voluntarily putting it at risk in service to this nation to have my rights taken from me. So I will do whatever is necessary to prevent the government from taking them away. And before you respond with more ignorant rants calling me a nut case, you should know that I am an attorney, former military officer and Persian Gulf combat veteran. So I have earned the right to tell you that your argument in favor of a new "Obama assault weapons ban" is not only absurd, but devoid of any basis for support in the Constitution. I recommend that you actually read the document before offering ridiculous interpretations of it!

Bueller

I too am a veteran; however, I did engineering and later law school after I got out. My political opinions are just that my opinions and they usually lead to heated debates over beer. The reason for my opinions about guns is that when people asked me if they should buy a gun, I use to tell them not to because if they are robbed they will only escalate the situation. Now days, if someone robbs you chances are good that they are going to shoot you anyway, and rather than arming everybody it needs to stop someplace. The people that you need to worry about are California Senator Feinstein and her followers. Senator Feinstein is ready to go on day 1 of the new congress to introduce a draconian weapons bill that would have you surrender your guns by eliminating grandfathering, and without compensation. Their position is that a weapons ban only needs to survive rational basis, at least I aborgate strict scrutiny and compensation. They also want to re-introduce H.R. 45, that failed before. If you are not familiar with Senator Feinstein or H.R. 45, you need to google them. Because the AR-15 seems to be the weapon of choice for every nut job thus far; I can't see a ban not happening. If I were you, I wouldn't go out an spend $1,000 on a new AR-15, because if Senator Feinstein has her way you will be handing it over to the federal government without compensation after shelling out your $1,000 to the gun shop.

2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms is to protect citizens from a tyranical government. As our government leans more socialist and pushes harder to ban certain firearms, it actually validates the original purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

NOT true.

Feinstein herself said that any ban WOULD NOT BE "RETROACTIVE". That means.....he keeps his gun. That means.....only NEW sales of these guns would be stopped. And THAT means.....she has no idea what she's talking about.....because there are thousands of them.....and millions of rounds of their ammunition out there. And THAT....is why the ban.....is stupid. HELLO!

Just curious

I support the second amendment and own a gun. However, why the drama about a discussion of some regulations? How could it hurt to have better background checks or to not allow people on the no fly list to buy a gun? Also, what is the limit for private ownership? If a tactical nuclear device can be fired from a hand held launcher, is the ok for private citizens to own? I think pro gun advocates would be more credible and frankly more intelligent if they had these discussions and allowed common sense regulations. Instead, they scream that Obama wants to take my guns and recommend more people arm themselves. Do we really want to live in a place where every person walks around packing an assault rifle? There is a common sense middle ground here that allows gun ownership but helps prevent pissed off crazies from easy access. Too bad intelligent discussions and compromise have gone the way of the dodo bird. There are many things in The Constitution that have been changed. Blacks no longer count has 3/4 of a person for census reasons. Senators are no longer appointed by the State Legislature. Freedom of speech has common sense limits like not being allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre. Why not have a common sense discussion about the second amendment without taking extreme positions and resorting to conspiracy theories?

Just Curious

Under my plan, gun ownership of certain weapons would become too expensive and I abrogated that the federal government should pay you market value should you desire to turn them in. I abrogate a complete ban should the Supreme Court decide that the militia is the National Guard and the Police and that the citizenry have no right to bear arms. The Court may not be liberal enough for this now, but give it some time. I don’t see any more republican presidents unless they could think of some way to divorce themselves of their ultra conservative tea party constituency. After two more two-term liberal democratic presidents appointing justices to the Court, the Court may be liberal enough for such a ruling. My opinion is just that my opinion. Who you need to worry about is the President, Diane Feinstein, and House Resolution 45. From what I am seeing, you will need to decide if you want to exercise your second amendment rights or give up your fourth and fourteenth amendment rights. For some of what I’m reading, you will need a gun license that is issued much like a driver’s license. You will need to produce your guns annually for inspection, the same way you do cars in a number of states. Get a speeding ticket, good by guns. Last, the Police can come in your house anytime they want to check on the well being of the gun. Should they do this and find a little bit of marijuana in plain sight, you go to jail and good by gun rights. If they come in to check on the well being of the gun at 2:00 a.m. and find you living in violation of Florida Statutes (see sections 798, 800, 828.126,) you will be arrested and good by guns. If they decide that the guns are not stored properly, you will be arrested and good by guns. If you have children living in the house with guns that the Police decided were unsecured, they will be taken out of the home. Do not believe me, do the research for yourself. http://rense.com/general85/obs.htm http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons http://www.infowars.com/turn-them-over-feinstein-moves-to-ban-all-assaul... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr45/text

Guns need to Stop Now!

Before I begin, we hear the old adage that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people;” however, what is not said is that guns make it a whole lot easier. Every gun is a potential murder weapon and gun manufacturers are murder weapons manufacturers. Everyone in the gun supply line is in the murder weapons trade and everyone that possesses a gun possesses a murder weapon. There is no such thing as a safe gun and no matter how you store it all guns are unsafe and dangerous weapons by their inherent nature. In the days since the horrific action up in Connecticut, we have seen photographs of what appears to be weapons of war that one can buy in a local Walmart store. The military version of the weapon is known as the M-16 and variants of this weapon have been used by the military for years. The civilian model is termed the AR-15, and that has been around as long as the M-16. The M-16 is capable of semi and automatic fire; whereas, the AR-15 is only capable of semi automatic fire. One would need to be an expert gunsmith and machinist to make an AR-15 function like an M-16. The so called assault weapons that you see in local stores are semi automatic guns and not military weapons. Hence, unless someone has a federal firearms permit, they do not own a machine gun, and you can’t buy a machine gun at Walmart. The Walmart gun is a semi-automatic gun made to look like an M-16. Now look at one of these semi-automatic guns and imagine the same gun on a conventional gun frame of iron and wood without the pistol grip. A popular gun is called the Mini-14, and in a sense it is a semi automatic weapon as an AR-15. Another type of weapon that needs to be discussed (please do not laugh) are BB or Pellet Guns. Variants of these guns look like the M-16 and M-4 assault rifle, but fire only BBs or Pellets, and some of the higher end weapons manufacturers market themselves to police for training because of the low cost of the BBs. A police officer in training can use $25 worth of BBs instead of $1,000 worth of ammunition in a day of training. Because BB or Pellet guns are not considered lethal weapons, because they don’t break the skin, you can get fully automatic BB guns that have a capacity of hundreds of BBs. Even though they can’t break the skin, they can perforate ear drums, put out eyes, and possibly break teeth. Shooting somebody with a machine BB gun may not kill but it can seriously injure them. Everyone praises the Clinton assault weapons ban, the Clinton assault weapons ban was a joke. An assault weapon was an assault weapon if it had a pistol grip, detachable magazine, bayonet lug, and a flash suppressor. You could have any two of the four to comply with the Clinton assault weapon ban, and Clinton type AR-15s had a pistol grip and a detachable magazine, but did not have the bayonet lug, or a flash suppressor, but the business ends of the guns were the same. The reason why the Clinton assault weapons ban was a joke is because I haven’t heard of anyone sniping at night with an AR-15 requiring a flash suppressor or fixing bayonet and charging someone. Most, if not all, automatic and semi automatic weapons are known as gas actuated weapons. Typically, when a firing pin strikes a bullet that is chambered in a weapon, the expanding gas from the explosion of the gun powder propels the bullet and the noise that you hear is a combination of the explosion and the bullet leaving the muzzle at supersonic speeds. In automatic and semi automatic weapons (rifles and pistols) a portion of this gas is diverted back to open the bolt and chamber another round making it ready to fire when you pull the trigger. Regardless of whether a weapon is fashioned to look like a NATO or East Pac weapon of war or put on a conventional rifle frame, it works the same way and is in-fact the same weapon. Depending on the quality, one of these weapons will cost between $500 and $1,500. A BB, Pellet, or Paint Ball gun works on the same principle except instead of gunpowder the force to propel the projectile comes from compressed air or compressed carbon dioxide, and a portion of the compressed air or compressed carbon dioxide is used to operate the weapon. The price of these weapons ranges from $25 to $500. My recommendations for the first phase of the Obama Weapons Ban are that the manufacture and sale of all gas actuated weapons to the civilian market be banned, and no weapon be capable of accepting more than 6-rounds of any ammunition. Current ammunition used by NATO or East Bloc Countries to be banned. Gas can be defined as propellant to operate the weapon whether derived from chemical or other sources. The possession of existing gas actuated weapons or the capability to hold more than 6-rounds of ammunition be subject to a yearly licensing fee of $2,000 per weapon. To prevent 2nd or 5th amendment or due process challenges, a person that currently owns one of these weapons can turn them in and receive reasonable market value payment for a limited time. This is not charity, an entitlement, welfare, or pork; it is a narrowly tailored payment to achieve the compelling governmental interest of providing for the safety of the people by getting murder weapons out of people’s hands. For you lawyers out there, any ban based on the 2nd amendment must survive strict scrutiny. For all other weapons, speed loaders (a device to load more than one round at a time in a revolver) shall be banned or all weapons owned by that individual subject to the $2,000 yearly licensing fee per weapon. All other weapons be subject to a nominal $25 licensing fee per weapon, and a surtax of 1,000% put on all legal weapons and legal ammunition sales. Because of the old adage that “when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns,” those who possess an unlicensed weapon or a silencer be subject to 20-years imprisonment and the statute written around this shall be strict liability meaning that there will be no defense to possession. A person under the Phase 1 Obama Weapons Ban will still be able to have a legal weapon for their defense. The second phase of the Obama Weapons Ban will be more difficult to implement. The Supreme Court must interpret that the second amendment refers to the National Guard and Police, and the civilian population do not have a right to possess and bear arms. The Phase 2 Obama Weapons Ban should be complete disarmament of the civilian population by making possession of all firearms illegal. The same buyback period for all other weapons should ensue, and efforts made to confiscate the firearms not turned in during the buyback. Being caught with a weapon will result in 20-years imprisonment, using a weapon for any purpose will result in life imprisonment to death. After the buyback period, there should always be an exception from prosecution for surrendering a weapon to law enforcement. One should be able to buy and legally use the daisy type single cock and fire BB guns provided the capacity be limited to six BBs, the weapon is brightly colored, and a stiff licensing fee is paid. All licensing fees shall increase 25% per year. My recommendations for the Obama Weapons Ban is the only model that would have worked and that would have kept the Connecticut children and teachers safe. Chances would have been good that under this type of ban the murderer’s mother would not have had weapons because ownership of weapons would have been too expensive for her. The second amendment does not say that gun ownership needs to be cheap. You might also think that a single shot hunting rifle is innocuous. As said above every gun is a murder weapon and hunting rifles were used by the military as sniper rifles before they went to custom made weapons. Case in point: With the right optics and murderer behind the trigger a hunting rifle can be good up to 4,000 feet. At this distance the bullet will strike its intended target in 1.35 seconds; however, the sound of the shot will be heard in 3.55 seconds. The murderer can kill his/her intended victim and witnesses at the murder scene will not hear the shot for 2.2 seconds after the bullet strikes. Hunting rifles are not innocuous. In addition, the preferred weapon of choice for criminals is surprisingly not the assault weapons, but pistols. As one can clearly see, a complete weapons ban is necessary as soon as possible. What also needs to be addressed but is beyond the scope of this article are archery weapons, competition sling shots, combat axes, swords, knives, baseball bats, violent video games, TV shows (nothing on but violent cop shows), and movies (all with violence to be NC17) and the like. More money must also be put into the mental health system and civil commitment made easier.

People with plans like this;

is why I have unregistered guns.

Guns need to Stop Now!

I cant tell if this is a joke or not!!

Its a joke

Gotta be
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