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Thursday, January 24, 2013
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City commissioners send anti-assault weapon resolution to Congress

In a unanimous vote after little discussion, the City Commission approved sending a resolution to Congress urging it to enact a new ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammunition loaders.

"I want to send a message to our congressmen that this discussion needs to take place," said Mayor Craig Cates, who began his comments by announcing that he owns two guns.

Cates, however, added that gun control decisions are out of the city's realm.

"This is not a debate we should be having at our level," he said.

Only one resident spoke against the resolution, saying it was an "attack" on the constitutional right to bear arms.

"I submit the Second Amendment is not under attack; children in schools are," City Commissioner Clayton Lopez said at the panel's meeting at Old City Hall, 510 Greene St. "If this is the first step to dealing with the overall problem, then so be it."

The resolution, first posed to the commission by Police Chief Donie Lee, will go to the Florida Keys' congressional delegate on behalf of the island.

Lee proposed the measure in the immediate days after the Dec. 14 schoolhouse massacre of 20 first-graders and their teachers at Newtown, Conn. by a single gunman.

"When your chief of police says to get these off the streets, you better listen to him," said Commissioner Teri Johnston.

"I have yet to hear one citizen justify why you need an assault weapon. It's a common-sense move for this community. It does not impact the Second Amendment. It still allows people to bear arms."

The resolution supports "legislation banning assault style weapons and high capacity magazines; urging Congress to enact legislation to require mandatory background checks and training in conjunction with every firearm purchase in the United States."

The framers of the Constitution "could not anticipate the destructive power of modern assault weapons," the resolution says.

Officer at HOB?

The unspeakable crime against 6- and 7-year-old children and their caretakers in Connecticut spurred President Barack Obama's $500 million plan to regulate gun ownership.

Along the island chain, residents and their elected officials did what the rest of America did: reconsider security at public schools.

In a second agenda item on Wednesday, commissioners unanimously approved a resolution that directs city staff to work with the schools superintendent and local law enforcement to "safeguard the city's schoolchildren."

Key West High School has had a police officer assigned to the school since the early 1990s. During holidays and the summer, the "school resource officer" patrols the road.

In August, the School Board approved reimbursing the city $74,121 for the police services.

Commissioner Billy Wardlow on Wednesday night said Horace O'Bryant Middle School needs its own officer, too, before it opens in the fall as the city's first and only K-8 public school.

This fall, the HOB midtown campus will grow to about 1,000 students, as the Glynn Archer Elementary School building is emptied and the students move into brand-new classrooms at HOB.

Principal Mike Henriquez attended Wednesday's meeting, and also recommended putting an officer at HOB for student and teacher safety.

HOB had its own school resource office for 1¬½ years, Henriquez said, but the School District lost a big grant and the middle school, which has about 700 kids enrolled, was left without one.

Wardlow said the resolution should focus on HOB, and that the county, the city and the schools should pitch in, given the fact that many students from up the Keys attend school in Key West.

"We have so many different ethnic groups that live in Key West and attend HOB," said Wardlow. "It makes it difficult for an eighth-grader and a kindergartner mingling in a hallway or a restroom."

The commission also:

• Pledged support for the reconstruction of the Florida Keys SPCA shelter on College Road, which was deemed badly in need of repair, and to direct the city manager to deliver a report on the city-owned properties near the shelter. The county has asked the city for more land for the project.

• Approved the debut of the Bone Island Bazaar at the Truman Waterfront this spring. Local attorney Candida Andriole created the event.

• For a six-month trial period, changed the 9 a.m. meeting time of the Key West Bight Management District Board to 5 p.m., at Old City Hall, to encourage more public participation. The Bight Board on Jan. 9 voted 4-3 to change the time.

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I own a gun to use to

I own a gun to use to protect myself from the other gun owners.

Second Amendment was established to protect Slavery...

Google it... the "well controlled militia" protected Slave Patrols and armed white citizens in order to put down slave rebellions.

Yep

Among other things.

Why Rabbi? Why Rabbi?

I always thought that the men of the cloth were well studied, and well versed. Rabbi Flanagan you have proven me wrong. Rabbi, just a thought and a question for you from my learning's. If the Jews where well armed and trained when the Nazi's came rolling through raping, and killing the JEWS. What do you think the out come would have been. Do you think that millions of JEWS would have lost there lives like they did as they did ( with all do respect to the Jewish community ) The Jews instead were not armed, and had to choice, but to submit to the Nazi's. The Jews in the time of the Nazi era where the weakest link in Europe. Criminals like the Nazi's went after the easy prey. Rabbi why would you want your people and all other groups of people to be vulnerable for history to recreate it self not by the Nazi party this time, but perhaps another party foreign or domestic. Respectfully, SOP9

I'm not a Rabbi

My name is Rabbi.

The City of Key West Commission has Violated F.S S. 790.33

Resolution enacted January 23, 2013 by the City of Key West Commission. As per my understanding, a resolution is an Enactment of Policy, by which the city of Key West Commissioners have clearly violated as per Florida Stat Statute 790.33 On the minutes shown in PDF format available on the City of Key West Website for January 23, 2013 , inside that PDF there is another PDF showing the resolution to ban Assault Weapons , and High Capacity magazines. From my understanding of the F.S. 790.33- 2 (b) and F.S.790.33 -3 (a). It appears that the City of Key West Commissioners, & Mayor have violated this section of the Florida State Statute. The City of Key West, its Commissioners and Mayor do not have authority over firearms what so ever, as per the Florida Legislature, nor can they enact any type of policy, ordinance, and or law towards this matter. The violation in this matter is on record as of January 23, 2013. The commission in no shape or form is above the State of Florida. Respectfully, SOP9

You're correct about the Law, BUT.....

The City Commission didn't enact any new Law of any type. They just sent a request to the federal Government that they enact one.

Fairvalues get a dictionary

What do you think a resolution is in reference to local government? It s an enactment of policy. Regardless of just how UN-educated you are or how limited your vocabulary is, we shall see what the State thinks off this Ridiculous attempt to dis arm good people. We will not go down with a fight.

SOP9

I understand what a policy is quite well. The City's resolution only asked the Federal government to enact a policy. This resolution would only be a policy of the Key West City if in fact the City could now regulate guns. They can't. Nice try, though.

Resolution to BAN Ridiculous Resolution

You obviously do not have a clue what a resolution is. So lets begin the lesson for today. A resolution is an enactment of policy. Whats is policy? Policy in the form of government is a regulation, ordnance, or law depending on the municipality. Fortunately for us Lawful Pro Gun Citizens of this great State of Florida. Chapter 790, Florida Statutes, operates to regulate the entire field of firearms and ammunition, including the purchase, sale, transfer, taxation, manufacture, ownership, possession, and transportation thereof.[1] Section 790.33(1), Florida Statutes, as amended by Chapter 2011-109, Laws of Florida,[2] states: "Except as expressly provided by the State Constitution or general law, the Legislature hereby declares that it is occupying the whole field of regulation of firearms and ammunition, including the purchase, sale, transfer, taxation, manufacture, ownership, possession, storage, and transportation thereof, to the exclusion of all existing and future county, city, town, or municipal ordinances or any administrative regulations or rules adopted by local or state government relating thereto. Any such existing ordinances, rules, or regulations are hereby declared null and void." In section 790.33, Florida Statutes, the Legislature, in furtherance of its intent to "provide uniform firearms laws in the state[,]"[3] has expressly stated that "it is occupying the whole field of regulation of firearms and ammunition." Moreover, in adopting Chapter 2011-109, Laws of Florida, the Legislature reaffirmed its intent to preempt the field of firearms regulation and mandated penalties for official acts that contravene state preemption. So It seems that the City Of Key West and the Commission have done nothing more than waste the city's money and time on this issue. I know firearms and I know what the law is regarding firearms in this state. Learn some new words to build your vocabulary and while your at it, maybe pick up a Florida Law book, and do some research on the topic of discussion before you people post your opinions on this matter. I do not care for your ridiculous thoughts but if you have some actual law or facts to prove a point I will be more than happy to continue the discussion. SOP9- CAPT JARVIS- NRA CERTIFIED FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED CHIEF RANGE OFFICER- NRA CERTIFIED REFUSE TO BE A VICTIM INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED SHOOTING COACH- NRA CERTIFIED PISTOL INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED RIFLE INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED SHOTGUN INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED RELOADING INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED PERSONAL PROTECTION IN THE HOME INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED PERSONAL PROTECTION OUTSIDE THE HOME INSTRUCTOR- NRA CERTIFIED FIREARM HOME SAFETY INSTRUCTOR- A.T.A. CERTIFIED SHOOTING COACH- SIMUNITION CERTIFIED L.E./MILITARY/SECURITY INSTRUCTOR- M.A.G./ LETHAL FORCE INSTITUTE INSTRUCTOR- CERTIFIED TASER INTERNATIONAL INSTRUCTOR-

Yada, yada, yada

et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

NativeConch67

Aren't you the one with the Pink Snowflake?

One Human Family?

Thanks for proving my point, bigot.

Excuse Me?

Go screw yourself, Cafe.

Anti Assault Weapons

People, we don’t make our own soap anymore, we buy it at the store. Likewise, nobody needs to hunt anymore, we buy our food at the store. Nobody and I repeat nobody needs to have a gun with the exception of the military and law enforcement. City Commission, Senator Feinstein I applaud your efforts but you are taking the wrong approach. All an assault weapons ban will accomplish is banning scary looking guns that look like they should be firing laser beams instead of bullets. The military features of these guns are cosmetic. You will move the killers to another semiautomatic weapons platform to accomplish their mission. As for magazines, all a 10 round magazine will do is make a killer change magazines more often and increase his vulnerability a little bit. People will be so scared and in awe, they won’t even notice that the killer has 10 round magazines and he is changing them often. An assault weapons ban looks good, but more people are killed with pistols than rifles. What we need is a complete ban on repeating firearms excepting out certain Winchester action and bolt action rifles. People can have those, single shot pistols, and single shot shotguns. This is the only method that would keep people safe and it is also too liberal.

More people die in cars than by guns.

I propose that we 1st look to eliminate all vehicles, as they are responsible for more deaths, then we can look to eliminate guns.

your an idiot. Know your guns before your talk about a ban.

Winchester Action? What are you talking about, I am a Firearms Instructor, I have never heard of Winchester Action. Winchester is a manufacturer of Arms & ammunition. Are you referring to Level Action? What good for the protection of our country would a Lever Action or Single Action Cowboy Style Firearm do? The 2nd Amendment wasn't created for hunting, or cowboy action sport shooting. It was created for the protection and self preservation of our country from foreign & domestic enemies. As per Hi capacity magazines, They were designed to stay in the gunfight. Your Hippi liberals dont have a clue about guns, nor how to use them. If you are satisfied with being a sheep for when the wolves come to attack, and the good people like my self to have to put my life on the line to help or save your life one day. I find that very selfish in my opinion. The police in my opinion are not reliable enough on ETA to a situation nor are most of them properly trained nor are they constantly training in the use of force for me to surrender my firearm to this Liberal Gun Ban. If you don't believe me just ask your local L.E. department for training records, and qualification scores. See for your self the lack of training and competence. I can get a first time shooter to score better than the average officer or military personnel. No disrespect to the men and women that serve and protect this great Country. It's mainly the administration and the bureaucrats that rather spend the money on other things rather than training. Next time you see an Officer or member of our Military. Ask them when was the last time you shot a gun, and how many rounds did you shoot. You will be surprised at the answer. Know your facts before you cast your vote, and spread this nonsense on a public page. Respectfully, SOP9

Lots if hippy liberals I

Lots if hippy liberals I know are buying guns... To protect themselves from nuts like you. Respectfully, 666.

SOP9

If you haven’t noticed, women are taking control of the country. Record numbers of us have been sworn into congress and record numbers of us are in state and local governments. Florida almost had a woman governor if Rick Scott didn’t buy the election. Look forward to Hillary in 2016 as president and women controlled both houses of congress. The GOP will fade into history taking the NRA with it, and by the time Hillary leaves the white house in 2024 we will have the court meaning woman will control all three branches of government. Women are finely realizing what has been known for hundreds of years and that is men are not fit and never have been fit to govern and must be governed. Guns are only one issue but they are a big one because Sandy Hook put the icing on the cake. We will disarm you one way or the other for your own good and the good of the nation. We will either ban guns outright or make them so cumbersome and expensive to own that nobody would want one, and you will deliver your guns to a collection point or risk decades in federal prison. The media will place a stigma on guns that will bring you more shame than being a sex offender. Remember, your precious second amendment does not state that gun ownership needs to be cheap, and women will get it done. Women will make America the progressive enlightened nation that it is meant to be.

Hahaha

As a woman, you don't speak for me. Hillary will never be president. Especially after Benghazi. There will never be an assault weapons ban or a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. I am pro-gun and anti-moron. You're either delusional or on drugs or both. Give it up. We will take this country back from you socialists.

You crazy lady

You will not dis-arm me. Your weirdo womens group will not dis arm me. Your delusional fantasy that Hilary will be president 2016 proves how crazy you really are.

You're the idiot...

Your nuts!

Rabbi here we go again

Rabbi, If you want to be the only one without a gun to protect yourself. That is fine with me. But do not speak towards this issue, your mindless comments are getting very annoying to me. If you Sir are a Rabbi. Then act like one. I know many religious leaders that would be ashamed to have another religious leader speaking the way you do. It is one thing to express yourself, your thoughts, and maybe your anger, but to do it publicly. Rabbi you should be ashamed at your self for your lack of knowledge towards an issue you keep writing about. SOP9

It was a Grammatical joke.

I know the difference between "your" (possessive) and "you're" (contraction of you are). I guess "your nuts" went over your head.

Grammar vs GUNS

Guns win, point blank... I'm not an English professor nor do I care for mis-spellings and or grammar. Get a life loser and go discuss something else on another page you might have a little knowledge on.

Did the public speaker mumble his name?

Didn't the reporter catch the name of the person who spoke in support of assault weapons, or is the public record not so public anymore?

Bravo City Commission !

There is a group that is forming to push for gun control called One Million Mom's For Gun Control to put pressure on the politicians. It's based on the MADD and already has 40,000 supporters on Facebook. Check it out http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Million-Moms-group-pushes-for-gun-c... If you want to get involved in pushing for rational gun control, this is the way to do it.

Joey the San Fransico Sheep

If you believe it is so much better there in San Fran, go back, and get off our island. Lets see how the Cartels there treat an unarmed man there. California has strict gun laws including the ban of Hi-Cap mags, Guess what they have a pretty high gun crime rate. Know your facts, and go back.

Sorry to disappoint you but I never have been to San Francisco

or know anyone that has ever lived there. I googled the The name One Million Moms for gun Control because I heard about the story on CNN. I guess you will have something derrogatory to say about CNN now. It's not surprising, when someone gets to close to the truth or when a person feels threatened they always try to slander the messenger. Here are some other links to protest to others cities you do not have preconcieved positions on. http://www.facebook.com/OneMillionMomsForGunControl http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/25/one-million-moms-for-gun-contro... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/22/nyregion/one-million-moms-for-gun-cont...

ONE MILLION IDIOTS

ONE MILLION IDIOTS - JOEY GET OFF THIS POSTING, YOUR THOUGHTS AND POST DO NOT HAVE ANY PLAY HERE. TALKS ABOUT OTHER PLACES, AND HOW MUCH GREENER THE GRASS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. SERIOUSLY STOP WITH THE NON-SENSE.

:Go Back?

And where did YOU live five years ago?

Ive been here

Ive lived here for some time now, in excess of 5 years. What's the point.

How Stupid

Only some libtard down here would quote the a San Francisco article about gun control. Most of you don't know anything about how gun buying works. There are already restrictions but, of course, that doesn't fit in your agenda. What needs to be fixed is moms who treat their little snowflakes with kid gloves so they never experience disappointment or pain. The first time they do, they freakin' snap because they weren't taught coping skills. So how about the One Million Moms Who Know How to Raise Children to Cope With the Real World?

More evidence...

... that local education has failed... "NativeConch67"

I Wasn't Educated Here

"Rabbi". I have two degrees so my educational level is just fine.

2nd Amendment is for protection agaisnt our lives & liberty

The right to own firearms is how this country succeeded, was established and whats sets it aside from all the countries in the world. By trying to take away Firearms from lawful citizens you are creating an unsafe environment for those of us who carry lawfully. All mass murders happen in area that are "Gun FREE Zones". Why make KEY WEST a hunting ground for criminals. In Florida the average Officer has to qualify with their firearm once a year which is a 48 round qualification, at a paper target. The Officer needs to have 39 Rounds on the paper out of 48 rounds. Qualification is not training. See (Popow V. City of Margate), 476 F.Supp. 1237 (D.N.J. 1979). Also see (Saman V. Robbins) 173 F.3d 1150 (9th Cir. 1999) Police shooting of an armed individual during a gunfight was reasonable, even though police were responding to a burglary call and arrived at the wrong address. In the case of (Brown V. Diversified Hospitality Group) 694 So 2d 520 (La. Ct. App 1997) No liability for city for mere failure to document training or note incidents in personal record, so long as evidence can show that training did occur. It is because of these cases in recent history, and many more cases, incidents in which I and many other lawful gun owners do not feel safe with only the police and their lack of training and knowledge on how to use and operate their own firearms be the only ones allowed carry firearms. I train regularly, and provide firearm safety courses. I'm a certified NRA L.E. Firearms Instructor, and NRA certified pistol, rifle, and shotgun, personal protection In and Out the Home Instructor. I hold almost every firearms instructor certification the NRA offers. Im also a M.A.G. /Lethal Force Institute Senior Staff Instructor, & Certified Taser Instructor. There are alot of good people out there, most train 90% more than the average local Officer. At the local Gun range in the Lower Keys, and the only gun range down here. I rarely see a Local Officer training or sport shooting. You mainly see the good lawful citizens of the Keys practicing and training in the use of Self Defense. Respectfully, Local Certified Firearms Instructor SOP9

What's that smell?

This proposed "Bazaar" at the Truman waterfront stinks to high heaven. This woman came before the city commission just one meeting ago totally unprepared, with incomplete applications and no proof of non-profit status. Instead of the project being summarily rejected, the woman was treated with kid gloves and told to work with city staff and bring her proposal back at the next meeting. At the next meeting! That sort of treatment is reserved only for friends of duh mayor-- or her husband.

The revised application was approved despite gaps on insurance coverage, etc. remaining. But there was assurance of compliance by our new city manager, who's turning out to be just another sycophant to the whims of duh mayor.

Look for "made in china" merchandise hawked by fly-by-night retailers and a jumble of traffic in the waterfront area which most of our residents wanted reserved as a simple park.

Sad Man

Michael you must have one sad life ! What have you ever done to help this community ? All you do is sell things to the tourists and then complain about them when they turn their back. What a HYPOCRITE !
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