Florida Keys News - Key West Citizen
Wednesday, February 20, 2013
City pleads to keep Mole
Losing pier could affect park plans

Losing the Outer Mole pier as a cruise ship dock could delay or even destroy Key West's longtime plans to redevelop the Truman Waterfront into a 28-acre park, City Manager Bob Vitas wrote in the latest letter to the Navy.

Such a loss could also disrupt "the critical revenue stream from the cruise ship industry," Vitas wrote in the original Jan. 18 response to th...

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Lengthy reply, but you(nor

Lengthy reply, but you(nor anyone else) has been able to supply a link to the "factual" information you so desperately defend.

Face it, you hate the cruise ship passengers and wish they would never come back. Sure! That will teach those pesky T-shirt shop owners, Ed Swift(whom I hate as well) and ensure Key West stay safe, clean, and wealthy. The reef will certainly be saved now that those cockroach people can't snorkle on them!

Post a link or shut up.

I tried

I posted a copy of the article in this comment section, but The Citizen did not print it. Sorry. I don't have the link. The article I reference was in the Feb 7th edition of this paper. You can go read it yourself. These are the facts and you will soon see huge efforts to hide them by a well organized group. Have you visited downtown with three ships here? Come and see for yourselves. Your kids futures here depend on it.

WOW! Those are some old, old ships in the photo on this

article. NCL and RCCL haven't floated those dinos for some time - 10 years at least.

Cruise ship tourists

Are the cockroaches of the tourist trade and the infestation is out of control.

They spend

a lot of money eating, drinking, renting scooters, bikes and taking tours. Many workers depend on the business generated by the industry. However I think the commission needs to take another look at the number of large vehicles in old town and there needs to be some kind of compromise so that the others who live and vacation here can enjoy the quiet tropical setting that we are advertising Key West to be.

They don't spend as much as you think

Fact: only 4 percent of tourism dollars come from these floating sewers. Meanwhile, the tourist who bring in the other 96 percent of our money are negatively impacted by these crowds and the low end business sprouting up to serve them. Yes, places like The Fury and HTA get most of this 4 percent, so they would be impacted, but it is only 4 percent!! It is not critical or vital or anything else. Stick to facts. They will be harder and harder to find as the vote comes closer.

What? Is this who the park is for?

"The proposed city park is the first property that millions of cruise passengers step upon when they visit the city of Key West?" ...Why don't they just step off the other side of the ship and make us all happy.

The Sky is Falling

I hear that if the Chamber of Commerce loses the mole the entire city of Key West would catch on fire !!

Nice

This will be the best news in years.

Geez

You people are pathetic. What a whiny, self-absorbed letter. I'm embarrassed for you. Man up and accept your fate. This place is run by an unruly group of 2nd graders.

And they're still whining...

So wait, are we creating this park for the people of Key West or for the cruise ship passengers? Cause if we're going to spend millions on a park for people who are here for 5 hours to buy their $5 "Key West" t-shirts it seems like a giant waste of money and if thats the case I'd prefer it stay a vacant lot. Anyways it seems now like city "leadership" is trying any which way to attack the Navy (for doing what the citizens wanted done in the first place). Please Vitas, Belland, Swift, Cates and the rest of you, stop whining. You lost your stupid Ducks- get over it.

Another city manager bites the dust.

Time to start the search. Vitas has now proved that he's just another shill for HTA, Duval St bar owners and the Chamber of Commerce.

The outer mole brings zero revenue into city coffers and will bring zero dollars into the Truman "park" property-- only hordes of cruise shippers.

The citizens support the Navy and hope that they retain control of the Mole and lease it out to someone who won't fill it with floating trailer parks.

Sad Man

Michael (AKA Mac) you are paid by the hotel that brings in the most cruise ships. Why dont you make a stand and quit your job instead of whinning in the citizens comments. Do you treat all those customers at your job from the cruise ships how you talk about them in your comments or do you say thank you for your business ? I bet i know the answer.

Why would you call someone

Why would you call someone out on an anonymous site while hiding behind your fake name? If you have some relevant facts about this, share them. Otherwise go think positively in private.

Cheryl...

Don't you have some mayoral work to do?

You do realize that 'cruise

You do realize that 'cruise shippers' bring money into the city, right? Don't believe me? Ask any of the watersport companies, restaurants, charter/fishing captains, scooter/bicycle/electric car rental companies...etc how they would feel if a declining cruise ship passenger count would affect their businesses.

Do you even live here?

If so, do you care about Key West?

Just the facts please!

Cruise ship visitors account for 4 percent of our tourism dollars. That's a fact. Please don't drink the HTA cool aid. It is obvious the new city manager already has. 96 percent of our money comes from people who's trips are impacted negatively by the hordes who come off these ships. These are facts. Also, cruise ship passengers don't go out on fishing charters so scratch that off your list, and they only go to a handful of restaurants. If you really think Key West will fold without 4 percent of our tourism dollars, I have a 7 mile bridge to sell you.

Would you mind citing your

Would you mind citing your source?

Doesn't sound like you've been on a cruise ship before, so here's how it works: The cruise lines reach out to local business and set up a deal where passengers sign up for an off-boat activity. The cost is a little inflated so that the local business and cruise ship both take a cut of the activity fee.

The key here is this: the local business makes money. Regardless if it only allots to this '4 percent' figure you claim to be a fact.

How do you know what the cruise ship passengers do anyway? Have you conducted a scientific study that surveys and tracks where/how much money passengers spend?

Please back up your allegations with factual sources.

Thanks for asking

Thanks for asking. The facts are critical to separate hyperbole from reality. The numbers I reference have been published in The Citizen and are from studies done by The Chamber of Commerce. Last year, The Chamber put out a study showing the ships contribute 6 percent. The more current number indicates 4 percent due to all the growth in our tourism business outside cruise ships. Remember that The Chamber is totally pro cruise ship. Organizations like Last Stand believe these numbers are exaggerated, but I am accepting The Chamber's numbers. Again, the most pro cruise ship lobbying group in Key West, The Chamber of Commerce, published these numbers and they were printed twice in this very newspaper. Now, you are correct that this 4 percent does bring money to businesses and locals. The problem is these passengers have a massive impact on the island that dwarfs the money they spend. Thanks to these thousands and thousand of low spending visitors, Lower Duval is a zoo of touts and cheap outlets. Please come downtown on a day three ships are in port and see the impact yourself. Walk around (if you can) and ask what you would think if you were visiting and staying in a $300 per night hotel room. I actually have nothing against a limited number of ships, but the intention of widening the channel and bringing more and more ships here, will ruin the tourist district and impact the 96 percent of the economy that is what really keeps us all alive.

Surely your joking... or

Surely your joking... or have been living under a rock. Several studies over the past few years have been done and published in this very paper showing that cruise ships contribute only 4% of tourist money to the island. You must be some newby working for Fury or some other cattle operation. Besides your obvious biased and reasoning why, ending operators like Fury, or yours, might not be a bad idea. Day after day they dump hundreds of people on the reefs and nearly every day the dive boat operators witness those people standing on the reef or kicking the coral below with their fins. Along with dozens of others in the dive business I've seen it myself hundreds of times. I think before you open you mouth about something you clearly know nothing about, it might be best if you find factual sources that state otherwise!

Actually most cruise ship passengers

only stay for 5 hours and that negates them from going out on any trip that wasn't specificly designed for them. So , the majority of businesses get nothing from the passengers, Yes we live here and got along fine before the cruise ships came. Your business is artifically supported by the ships and would not survive without the cattle being herded to you.

Very few.

They spend no money in fine restaurants. They stay in no hotels or guest houses. Few even see New Town.

They buy a cheap T-shirt (from one of our sleazy Duval St stores) and a refrigerator magnet. That's it. If you're making money from that, go right ahead.

Live here and have for 20 years. Used to care a lot. Now I care nothing for the sleaze or many of the people. Love the physical island only now.

Well Said

well said. You are absolutely right... there are many other people who work VERY HARD in this town (other than HTA) and rely on Cruise Ships and tourists for their livelihoods.

Just the facts!!

What about the impact to the tourists who spend 96 percent of the money? What happens when they don't go downtown, or when snowbirds leave, or long stay visitors visit Fort Zach and think they are at Coney Island due to three ships being here? Please think a little harder. Most people working here see NO benefit from cruise ship tourists! If they did, they would not only account for 4 percent of our tourism business. The risk is by expanding this market, it will overwhelm the rest of our tourist demographic and that 96 percent will be hugely impacted. Do you really want all of Key West to look like Lower Duval/Front street?

Snowbirds don't go to lower Duval St

in the early morning when cruise ships are here, nor do they hardly ever go period. The cruise ship passengers start boarding around noon, so they don't interfere with snow birds like you claim. And I highly doubt cruise ship passengers come here to spend their time at Ft Zach. it's time you come up with some other nonsense that maybe someone will believe.

You are either stupid, misinformed, or a plant from HTA

1. My friend owns a shop on Upper Duval and the majority of her business comes from snowbirds. 2. fort Zach is so busy on days with multiple cruise ships in town they open an additional lane to check people through. I go there often and there is a HUGE difference on days with ships in port. 3. Many cruise ships stay till 5PM and are not boarding by noon. 4. Please read the title of my comment. Are you stupid, misinformed, or are you Virginia Panico? just the facts people! Cut the BS.
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