Florida Keys News
Saturday, March 16, 2013
Teen rape alleged
Boy, 14, accused of assaulting drunk girl
BY ADAM LINHARDT Citizen Staff
alinhardt@keysnews.com

A 14-year-old boy was charged with felony sexual battery after allegedly having sex with an intoxicated 14-year-old girl in a Smathers Beach bathroom the afternoon of March 9, according to Key West police records.

Rick Hayward Fisher was charged the same day with first-degree felony sexual battery with a victim over 12 years of age, according to a juvenile arrest affidavit....

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FRED...

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 11:44pm by Rabbi Flanagan

You have 14 posts on this story. It has clearly become an unhealthy fixation for you.

TAKE A BREAK!

Rabbi

Submitted on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 12:46pm by Fred Detorez
I am an social justice advocate.Plus I am not working on my cruise liner this week and have some extra time !

It would appear

Submitted on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 12:13pm by Sal Gutierrez
this coward is the pot calling the kettle black.........

Let's look at both sides...

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 5:10pm by spkev
So, as far as anyone posting here knows, a local boy of some quasi- celebrity family was accused of rape. On one side it seems there is a very vocal group calling for this boy's head and/or testicles. On the other side there are the ones who will not jump to conclusions, and will wait for our LAW of the LAND to play out. There are some of us who refuse to convict anyone by the Press. Flame me if you want, but I prefer to stand by Our guarantee (as Americans) of 'Innocent until PROVEN guilty'. And the proof 'aint in the press. From what I can see from these comments, the ones who would let the legal system play out first are saying 'If he did it, punish him!' And those who already know everything... From a Citizens article... have already convicted the kid, and are serving as Judge, Jury and Executioner. Just so you know, I'm of the opinion of if he did it, then no penalty is too severe for a crime of this nature.

Alleged rape

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 8:39pm by hosed
Its clear some of the readers do not know what alleged means. How is this case going to be tried fair now in this county. Its not. The truth will come out in court hopefully and let the justice system do its job. As far as the comments about him being a spoiled brat, from where I am sitting most kids now days are not only spoiled but disrespectful, ungrateful, and arrogant just like their parents taught them to be.

That's how

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 1:36pm by Sal Gutierrez
cowards work...The place is covered with them.

He was on a roll that day.

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 7:15pm by david2009
He was on a roll that day. After he did what he did in the john he must have decided it was a good time to chill with some drugs, according to the story in this paper.

Justice is to be served in court, signed Randy Barnhouse

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 7:06pm by Hambone
Whether it is the alleged victim, or the alleged perpetrator, justice will be given to them in court. I do hope that the system gets this right. When was the last incident with a juvenile commiting a felony, and having their name revealed in the media? Whether the Fisher boy is innocent or guilty I protest him being tried by yellow journalism. If he is guilty, I hope the young lady, with proper help, can move on and follow her dreams.

Yellow Journalisim

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 12:11pm by Fred Detorez
I totally agree with what you said. You seem not to be apathetic to the accused. You said '' If he is guilty, I hope the young lady" What if he is not guilty, he will always have the stigma about being a predator.Does anyone know if the girl and her family pressed charges or did the police and prosecutor did? The public has no idea that if a teenage couple gets drunk and have sex, the boy can be arrested and not the girl. This is sexism against boys. They both can engage in reckless behavior but because of the way the laws were written ( guided by feminist that hate it when boys have sex with girls)the boy is the only one charged?The families can be cool with it but law enforcement still commits with the charge. I am not sure if this is the case with the Fisher boy but it happens all of the time. There are financial incentives paid to law enforcement , prosecutors, judges, and courts to charge men and boys with sex crimes. Sex crimes are the only crime where there does not have to be any proof, evidence or witnesses for the police to arrest. Both the financial incentives and no evidence policies are due to The Violence Against Womens Act.96% of the trials end in acquittal because the juries know the charges are bunk.Please watch on YOUTUBE "" Swedish S.C.U.M". The SCUM movement started in the USA by radical Marxist feminist that hate men and boys. They are behind writing the sexist biased laws against men, boys and the nuclear family. Please google " Mary Daly, Boston College" ,"" Andrea Dworkin"and "Rad Fem hub, underbelly of a hate movement" You have to understand these are powerful groups that have a deep down hatred for men, boys and transgendered women. They are in positions of power where they are able to create laws biased against males. You will see that people that do not want this sexism exposed attack me personally and never refute what I say.I don't know if our law enforcement and justice dept.apply for VAWA money or not but most of them do. Hey its free money from the feds !

Fred is angry...

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 3:04pm by got beer?
Wow....you sure have issues, man. I wish i could see your arrest record. Some girl must have really pissed you off.

Social Justice Advocate

Submitted on Wed, 03/20/2013 - 11:43am by Fred Detorez
I am not angry nor have I ever been arrested.There is something wrong when two teenagers have drunken or drugged sex and police are directed only to arrest the boy. I do not know if is the case here but from what I read and heard it is.What did I say that was untrue or hateful? Are you familiar with protective orders and restraining orders? Any women can go see a judge in a secret meeting and get one against her domestic male partner. She does not have to give any proof of abuse or threats, the judge just gives her the protective or restraining order.She gives the order to law enforcement . Her male partner is met at the end of the driveway upon returning from work by the cop. He is told that he can not enter the house or he will be arrested or shot. He will not be allowed to pick up his property, see his pets and see his children for months. He will get a hearing in court but the judges never rescind the order.So how is that by me exposing all of these sexist laws and policies against boys and men make me mad and angry?This is wrong what they are doing. Did you know domestic violence is created equally by both genders.? The laws are only against men and boys . Pleas watch on YOUTUBE '' False Allegation- Only Fathers With $$ can Fight Back""also watch '' Seven Key Domestic Violence Facts"

Have

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 1:40pm by Sal Gutierrez
another cup......

Ask

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:09am by Sal Gutierrez
Drunken Matterson what to do...........

The Fishers will find out

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 1:37pm by splashgordon
How many pieces of silver it will take make it go away. Then the royal family of KW can get back to indulging themselves and stepping over the little people who make life inconvenient.

Silver will never fix what happend to this girl.

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 9:25pm
I think the father will not let silver cover this up. He has no need for the silver but does have a need to not let this ever happen to any other young lady. Key West needs to stand up for its Kids/young people and not let this type of thing ever happen again.

Two Teens Convicted Of Rape In Steubenville, OH

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 1:21pm by Jet Stream

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/17/justice/ohio-steubenville-case/index.html

Cowards.

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 12:44pm by cwew
You people that are posting here anonymously are cowards, yes cowards. This is an alleged crime. There are witnesses but this has not gone to court as yet. Innocent until proven guilty ring a bell? I worked with the Fisher family for over nine years. They do not think themselves above the law, just the otherwise. They do not think themselves as royalty- far from it. You people sitting in your pajamas writing these hateful comments are the problem with Key West. I have lived here for over 39 years and have come to loathe this island because of the hypocrisy that is so pervasive. The Citizen has yet again executed bad judgement by this type of reporting. I am sure they made plenty of money from the Fisher family when we found the Atocha. If I were the Fisher family, I would not give another penny of advertising or let the Citizen have any access to any new discoveries. Lastly, this is a tragedy for both families. Insomuch that we do not have all of the facts, let justice run it's course. It is none of our business until judgement day. You, the ones castigating the Fisher family all are despicable people, just listen to yourselves. You are hypocrites, the very element of society that I loathe. captain curtis william erling white key west

Karen Ortega

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:24am by Kiki
that's my name- NOT a coward!! Fully disgusted that ANYONE would write in favor of any boy/man ANYONE raping ANYONE~!! I do not care if this boy's life is ruined, just like I have no sympathy for the boys in Ohio, or any rapist.You sit and call for everyone to not dare mention the Fisher family well William, WHO RAISED HIM to behave this way??? It is absolutely inconceivable to me that you would dare attack citizens here who are appalled and outraged. I am appalled and outraged about this rape. Why Curits aren't YOU? I am not castigating the entire Fisher family- BUT this is a spoiled- yes he is definately "spolied" like a rotten egg- boy of THEIR creation. If I had a son that felt he could do something so atrocious and disgusting at FOURTEEN you better damn well believe I would be hanging my head and not for a moment trying to back him up! A child was RAPED while under the influence of alcohol she should never have had- NOW CAN WE GET MORE COPS ONTO SMATHERS??!! The fault lies 100% with the rapist, pure and simple. So you LOATHE the place?? There is US1 Williams, hit it, we will not miss you. Oh and this is a NEWS paper and they are supposed to print THE NEWS - whether you like or don't like what they print- that is their job.

As we all know, Kiki, the guilty are the ones who have a fit

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 9:52am by *.* CLEARLY the original
when they are featured in a NEWSPAPER. Remember all the Bubbas and Acevedos coming out of the wall when that mess was developing? They'd have killed the editor if they thought it would've helped.

Ms. Ortega, My name is Capt.

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 2:01pm by cwew
Ms. Ortega, My name is Capt. Curtis White, not William, not Curits or Willams. The comments here are mostly vicious and ad hominem attacks against a juvenile that has not has his day in court is just hateful and vigilante mentality. Yes, I used the term cowards because most of the people that comment here and on the Voice get to have their anonymity without any repercussions. I write letters to the editor and always use my full name. I am sorry that I offended you, Ms. Ortega. I have known the Fisher family since 1979. That said, I was not in the bathroom... maybe you were and saw the alleged crime. In addition, I am not saying that there is a presumption of innocence or guilt, that is not my job nor is it of anyone here. Everyone just calm down and let justice run its course. I attended Mary Immaculate, Star of the Sea and HOB in the sixties, lived here in the 70s up until present. Read the Citizen and you will see that the comments border on hateful. I like the Citizen, I said that they have made plenty of money from the Fisher family's contributions to this island. I question why they had to bring up Mel Fisher's name? He has been deceased since 1998. Was it really necessary? Lastly Ms. Ortega, I do not know you personally. I am sure that you are a fine person that holds the same respect for the rule of law that I do, so let us not prosecute this alleged crime in the newspaper. I do not loathe Key West, I loathe what has caused good people to react in this way time after time. I will not mention the names of prominent people that have their names smeared about here in the Citizen daily. That was and is my point- that is what I loathe. Finally, I will leave Key West when I decide to. Thank you for your response, it was enlightening and revealing. captain curtis william erling white

Do you see what

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 7:33pm by Kiki
this mutant "Fred" is writing Captain? Yes I too sign my name to each and every letter to the editor, you write more than I, but I write my share. I too knew Mel, jovial man, ok tipper, but fun and pleasant to serve, every day at 2 Friends Patio, double Bacardi and cokes with lime, I also know Kim... the two are very different men. The Fisher name is a local in the news all the time name, and that is why they mentioned it. If it were an Obama relative I am sure you'd expect Barack's name to be mentioned. The family are local celebrities, and wealthy ones, of course their family members involved in anything will make the papers. As long as there are men like Fred blaming the victim and others ready to jump to a boys defense after reading this article there will be people like myself who are so outraged by this callous and nonchalant acceptability of rape I will continue to stand on the highest soap box and scream back. I do not care how long you live here or don;t live here Captain, I have never said I abhor/loath this place, I still love it as much as I did when I got here in 1983, if I did not I would expect to be packing. as for the comments being vicious, I didn't see that until I saw people like Fred and Alicia blaming the passed out girl for this instead of the alert local boy announcing to all his conquest. We will see how this pans out -

False allegations

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 10:43am by Fred Detorez
I never attacked the alleged victim. I am attacking the justice system that is heavily biased against men and boys. I cited my sources, cases and laws.I gave a synopsis of VAWA and other misandric laws and policies. Why do you have to attack me personally and not refute what I state with counter information. What did I say about the radical Marxist feminist groups that is untrue? They are a minority in the sexist feminist movement( second wave and after)but are in positions of power to create these bias laws against males.I did not know if the alleged victim was passed out or not. That was not in the Citizens free online.Feminist hate it that teenage boys have sex with girls, She said it here"" alert local boy announcing to all his conquest" If he did have sex with an unconscious female I would hope the jury would find him guilty.Please let me know if you would like to be on a local radio show together to talk about domestic violence and sexism. Are you aware that we have common friends ?

common friends

Submitted on Thu, 03/21/2013 - 11:28pm by Kiki
After 30 years here and marrying a conch and raising two more; I have MANY acquaintances's, and an extremely small circle of friends.I am absolutely certain none of my friends are yours. I KNOW about these subjects I am sure MUCH better than you, and not from books or "studies" and I have no intention of being anywhere near you as you seem exponentially unstable.

Domestic violence/false allegations against boys and men

Submitted on Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:09pm by Fred Detorez
Why do you believe that you know more about these subjects than I do??You know nothing about me.There was no one that said not a single thing I stated was not true.Is it true that the Fisher boy was having sex with his girlfriend or do you believe he met a stranger on the beach, got her drunk and had sex with her against her will?Why won't you discuss these subjects with me on a radio show. Don't you believe sexual assaults and false allegations are an important subject ?

The Keys

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 10:00am by Sal Gutierrez
are packed with Cowards and 90% of them are posting here....

Go away

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:33pm by 666
Go away Sal, you are like a mosquito, small and insignificant, but irritating. Time for some Raid!

Bravo! He is not even a local. He sits up in Hudson

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 9:54am by *.* CLEARLY the original
with nothing to do, immersing himself in hate and greed.

Looks like

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 7:12pm by Sal Gutierrez
we both have nothing to do......

What's up Coward?

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 1:32pm by Sal Gutierrez
Raid won't work.I'm here till i die. Looks like some of the cowards are dropping their cover....When will you come out of the closet?

Curtis normally I agree with you and on most points

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 9:54am by trapper
in your post today , but as someone who has a daughter here in town ; it is my business. The Fisher boys have been out of control for years.No matter what happens the Mother says the same thing , "Boys will be boys" as an excuse, sorry but this isn't a boyish behavior ; but criminal , predatory adult behavior. So, yes, let justice run its course.

Even if he is found not guilty,

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 8:27am by Get Real
it's still quite obvious he is far from innocent. Just because the Fishers haev the money to hire a high priced lawyer to get the kid off, doesn't mean nothing happened.

The Fisher's would be smart to just have the kid plead guilty

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 9:58am by *.* CLEARLY the original
and save the taxpayers the cost of trying him and finding him guilty. It will just further damage their image in this town. It would seem that a rape kit, eye witnesses and (hopefully) drug and alcohol testing of the perp is overwhelming evidence. Of course, you never know with the incompetent KW Police. They hate paperwork and do not drug test anyone if they can help it. They do more damage to victims than they do to the perps.

The mob

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 8:16am by Fred Detorez
There has been an epidemic of false allegations against men and boys since the passage of The Violence Against Womens Act.The prosecutors office gets paid VAWA money even if there is no evidence of a sexual assault or if the sex was consensual . If there were drugs or alcohol, they still prosecute even if it was consensual because they get bribe money from the feds win or loose !96 % of the rape trails end in acquittal because the juries see through this. The public is never told of all of the payoff bribe money .W.A.V.E. is the mothers of boys group that was formed to inform the public about this scam . There are feminist groups that have a deep down hatred of men and boys. They pay democrat politicians to create this misandric laws .

epidemic??

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 3:12pm by Kiki
What drugs are you on? The epidemic is global, and it is RAPE and other horrendous acts of violence against women and children. There is nothing in the VAWA bill for financial gains to any law enforement officers or officials. There is special funding for caring for the mental and physical state and confidentiality of the VICTIMS - not the rapists. Grow up.

Thanks again for injecting some facts, Kiki

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 10:03am by *.* CLEARLY the original
Those who support rapists are just as filthy as the rapists are.

Personal attacks

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 5:19pm by Fred Detorez
The federal government tells the states how the money is to be spent. It is all on line. Florida has the highest paid administrator of the domestic violence industry in the country. She is paid $200,000.00 a year. Domestic violence is a multi billion dollar industry. Ok , how is the VAWA money distributed among the government class and law enforcement? Under Florida STOP VAWA Law enforcement gets 30%,courts 5%, prosecutors office 30 %, victims and services 30 % .What are you pseudo facts ? Have you notist leftist and cultural Marxist never refute what I say just response ad hominem .

You are messed up.

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 2:49pm by george
You are messed up.

TODAY'S THE DAY!

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 5:38am by Deep
This is a case of a local brat rich kid son of scum who was never told no. Good luck Mister Fisher. you'll need your daddy's Atocha gold to get out of this one

Key West

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 12:19am by Key West Ugly
Is not a place to raise kids. It's a nasty, ugly, vile, overcrowded city where people go to do things they ordinarily won't do where they come from. They do it here because it stays here and the kids are raised in that environment and like a parrot, just mimicking what they see in the adults behavior.

Have you ever lived any

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 9:34am by george
Have you ever lived any where else? The rest of the cities are pretty messed up too. The problem here is that the schools and the parents do not admit that there are problems in this town as serious as in MIA or NYC.

Key West

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 8:40am by Fairvalues
Is a great place to raise kids. A very small percentage of the kids in this town are troublemakers and most of those will grow out of it. Same as it is in Anytown, USA. The rest are a joy to watch as they figure out life with the help of their parents, teachers, and friends. I didn't grow up here, and I saw the same problems with kids when I was one 50 years ago in a different City. As for mimicking stupid adult behavior, between TV and the Internet there isn't a kid in America that doesn't see adults acting stupid.

ikky Boca

Submitted on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 4:11pm by Fred Detorez
Key West is a good place to raise children and your family. I grew up in Boca. In Key West everyone is helpful and friendly. People here pull over and help that little old lady trying to change a flat tire. In Boca Raton people would pass by and laugh'' I am glad it is not me"I don't miss that place and I am glad I am here. Do you think that store owner who's store you have been patronizing for 30 years in Boca would know your name? They will in Key West usually.

This is the most irresponsible trash I have ever seen!

Submitted on Sat, 03/16/2013 - 8:54pm
This incident is a tragedy. It's a tragedy to the young woman involved. It's a tragedy to the young man. It's a tragedy to the society that produced young people than think that underage drunkenness is okay, that such utter disrespect for other individuals is okay. It's all beyond horrible. But, is it news? The only newsworthy item in this entire smear is that the young man involved is a Fisher. If the young man was from a less noteworthy family, this either never would have made the paper, or it would have been published without the name. The Fisher family has been a source of pride in this community for many many years, and to publish the name of one family member for a possibly criminal act when underage is shockingly irresponsible. This sort of garbage puts this paper in the same league as the National Enquirer. I am shocked and sickened by all of this.....and I am neither a Fisher nor a youthful offender....just a citizen that thinks that ALL kids deserve a second chance and to have their youthful stupidity sealed at adulthood. You suck!!

a tragedy

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 11:29am by Kiki
A tragedy> you have no idea I supposed what a tragedy is. It is September 11th, it is an Earthquake in Haitti, it is a Hurricane in New Jersey or here even for some, it is a burning childrens home with children inside. This is not a "tragedy" for "the young man" it is a CRIME. Simple as that- a CRIME. Get a dictionary and a brain.

december 14

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 5:22pm by Fred Detorez
December 14

How proud would you be of the Fishers

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 1:42pm by splashgordon
if that was your daughter who was raped?

this is horrifying

Submitted on Sat, 03/16/2013 - 6:05pm by alicia
This paper is so unbelievably stupid to post this. I love the Editor's note: " It is The Citizen’s policy to name juveniles when they are accused of violent felonies." Did anyone check to see if it was the state of Florida's law to publish a minor's name who has been convicted of nothing? The writing in this article is basically ruining the life of a 14 year old boy. Not to mention, this article has some of the most ridiculous evidence I have ever heard. Her friend supposedly walked into and out of the bathroom several times and tried to help her? Really? And noticed a violent crime being committed and did nothing. Sounds violent! Sweet friend. This sounds like a bunch of drunk kids who made really bad decisions, and everyone wants to put the blame on a cocky boy. If this girl was truly raped then this is absolutely awful. The boy should certainly be tried and face the consequences. However the fact that The Citizen would publish this article about a kid who even if found innocent will never find a job or have a life if anyone looks his name up on the Internet, is appalling. You have no morals whatsoever. Why on earth would you use his name? You don't even know if these very "credible" witnesses were also 3 times over the legal limit like the victim. Would it also make sense that a 14 year old boy who was drunk might not be a great judge of how drunk someone else was? I hope for the sake of the KWPD that their evidence/report doesn't match that of the "tip" supposedly leaked to the newspaper. I think the Citizen jumped the gun on this and I hope for the sake of everyone involved, the too will have to pay the price.

You are obviously related to the Fisher family.

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 8:31am by Get Real
If this kid's name was John Doe, you would be screaming to throw the book at him.

Get real

Submitted on Mon, 03/18/2013 - 9:32pm by alicia
If the kid's name was John Doe it would have never made the paper.

Violence Against Womens Act

Submitted on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 8:44pm by Fred Detorez
How come the girl was not charged with a sex crime ? She is excused from responsibility for engaging in reckless behavior ?She was drunk too.The reason why she was not charged is because under The Violence Against Womens Act the prosecution receives VAWA money even if they loose the case.The court,judge, cops all get VAWA money.
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